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Path to Buddhahood

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Path to Buddhahood

Postby Tom » Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:11 am

Is there a path to Buddhahood, rather than Arhatship outlined in Theravada?

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Re: Path to Buddhahood

Postby Hanzze » Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:19 am

What would be the different form your view and why would one choose Buddhahood rather than Arahantship? Maybe the answers answer the question.
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BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Path to Buddhahood

Postby Alex123 » Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:38 am

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Path to Buddhahood

Postby Tom » Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:38 am

Well I'm not too grounded on the differences honestly, however I've read that "Buddhahood" is supposedly the highest form of enlightenment (whether or not this is true, I don't know) , and I'm interested in learning more about that path. If you can share your knowledge on the differences as well I would greatly appreciate it.
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Re: Path to Buddhahood

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Re: Path to Buddhahood

Postby Tom » Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:42 am

Thanks for the info. If the "enlightenment" or bodhi is the same than what are the differences?

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Re: Path to Buddhahood

Postby Alex123 » Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:44 am

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Path to Buddhahood

Postby Hanzze » Tue Sep 11, 2012 2:49 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Path to Buddhahood

Postby Tom » Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:08 am

I wondered if becoming a Buddha would help the maximum number of beings achieve liberation in the shortest amount of time, as compared to an arhat.
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Re: Path to Buddhahood

Postby Hanzze » Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:19 am

Does it seems to you, or is it something you have been told?
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BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Path to Buddhahood

Postby Tom » Tue Sep 11, 2012 3:23 am

I have not been told this personally, I was just wondering
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Re: Path to Buddhahood

Postby santa100 » Tue Sep 11, 2012 4:06 am

I think it's important to know exactly what is meant by Buddha, or Arahant, or Bodhisattvas. Unfortunately, these cannot be summarized in a few lines. Bhikkhu Bodhi wrote a great article on this exact topic. Definitely a good read and I'd strongly recommend it..

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... ttvas.html

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Re: Path to Buddhahood

Postby Hanzze » Tue Sep 11, 2012 4:07 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Path to Buddhahood

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Re: Path to Buddhahood

Postby Hanzze » Tue Sep 11, 2012 4:51 am

There is a nice article: (guess that the Buddhahood stands often for the supercream ideal of liberator (which is mentioned in the term of Bodhisattva and fits well to western ideas of compassion)

Don’t be an arahant, don’t be a bodhisattva, don’t be anything at all—if you are anything at all you will suffer.” —Ajahn Chah
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BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Path to Buddhahood

Postby whynotme » Tue Sep 11, 2012 7:56 am

Also here:
Arahants, Bodhisattvas, and Buddhas by bhikkhu Bodhi

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... ttvas.html

I don't fully agree with bhikkhu Bodhi, but I find that he has some interesting points. On the arahants and buddhas, I have this simile:

Before Issac Newton found out that F=ma no one knew it. After he found out F=ma, he taught that to everyone. What he taught is the most important thing. He went through many mistakes to find out that formula. Now the way is already opened, no need to reinvent the wheel.

IMO, the bodhisattva is exactly like that. Yes, there is a way to become the Buddha similar to there is a way to become Issac Newton, or someone the first in something, simply because it is a historical fact.

And after found out the truth, no way the Buddha would teach about the bodhisattva way, it is similar to in no way Issac Newton would teach others to follow all of his experiments and mistakes, just to know F=ma.
E.g Issac Newton maybe tried F=ma/2 or F=mv, etc.. and then found out all of those are false. Finally, he would simply teach that F=ma, because only it is worth to mention. Like that, the Buddha only teaches about suffering and how to end it, he would never teach about the bodhisattva way. That's why no one can find the teachings about the bodhisattva way in the Nikaya.

So my conclusion is that, there is a bodhisattva way, but no way it is a clear way like someone can point out in suttas, it is just random walking. The Buddha, like Issac Newton or every inventor, tried many way before the invention, when he had not found the eightfold path. Some lives, he practiced and taught the way to devas world, some lives he tried the way to brahma world. Some lives he was maybe a Christian, a atheist, who knows? He just tried his best in every situations out there, sought all guides and advice available at the moment. And still, all of that is inferior to the final teaching after he got enlightenment like every beta version is inferior to the final formula F=ma.

All the teaching claimed from Buddha's mouth about the bodhisattva way are false, the bodhisattva way is the hidden way because of the reasons above. If you like that way, let yourself be prepared, you need much more than the official false guides from the suttas (coz there isn't any).

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Re: Path to Buddhahood

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