Confession

General discussion of issues related to Theravada Training of Sila, the Five Precepts (Pañcasikkhāpada), and Eightfold Ethical Conduct (Aṭṭhasīla).

Re: Confession

Postby Annapurna » Thu Aug 30, 2012 12:52 pm

Cittasanto wrote:
Annapurna wrote:Oh my goodness, Cittasanto, that is a challenge...

Wouldn't you say that you are getting "mobbed"...?

Have you talked to the boss about it...?

Do you have a works council, or ombudsman or something?

May I ask what their nationality is? Religion? Perhaps there is a key hidden in the differences...

I'm sorry if I missed something in your previous descriptions, -this is not my Native tongue.

Hope you are feeling a bit better! :hug:

I am feeling fine! Although as this situation is naturally on my mind things are linking together and it is tiring to separate the facts from the proliferations constantly.
The Bosses are aware of the situation that happened, and I am going to point some things out to them today.

I edited the last post removing the further descriptions. even though I do not feel they are wrong, it is just to stay on the safe side.


Cittasanto, I hope it will get better for you then!

Tell us how it went, please.
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Re: Confession

Postby Cittasanto » Thu Aug 30, 2012 3:28 pm

I should know tonight what is happening at work!
This offering maybe right, or wrong, but it is one, the other, both, or neither!
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"Others will misconstrue reality due to their personal perspectives, doggedly holding onto and not easily discarding them; We shall not misconstrue reality due to our own personal perspectives, nor doggedly holding onto them, but will discard them easily. This effacement shall be done."
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Re: Confession

Postby Cittasanto » Thu Aug 30, 2012 7:21 pm

people :focus:
I was needed on another team tonight but it does not look like anything has changed with the work situation
This offering maybe right, or wrong, but it is one, the other, both, or neither!
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"Others will misconstrue reality due to their personal perspectives, doggedly holding onto and not easily discarding them; We shall not misconstrue reality due to our own personal perspectives, nor doggedly holding onto them, but will discard them easily. This effacement shall be done."
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Re: Confession

Postby DAWN » Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:20 am

Maby problem is not in 'others' but in our self?

It's difficult to accept, but sometimes when behaviour of others seems 'wrong' we have to quanstion our selfs what is the reasons to that behaviour. Buddhist people are wise peoples, so we have to use this wisdom.

It's said that
'The strong one is not the one who conquer others
The strong one is the on who conquer him self '
Sabbe dhamma anatta
We are not concurents...
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Re: Confession

Postby Kamran » Fri Aug 31, 2012 2:21 am

I had recurring angry thoughts about work when I was with my family to the extent that I was not enjoying my time off with my family.

One thing that helps me is to keep in mind that human perception is very selective. I don't trust what I think, because my perception is probably wrong, or even in the best case my perception is only an approximation of the truth - not the whole truth.

In addition to vipassana, I would try extensive Metta meditation. I have practicing metta for a short while and have seen enough benefits to continue. Understanding that the people that made me angry suffer from defilements just like me, and genuinely wishing them well has offset angry feelings I had towards them.

I try to be mindful, alert, and ardent throughout the day in a battle against my own defilements.
When this concentration is thus developed, thus well developed by you, then wherever you go, you will go in comfort. Wherever you stand, you will stand in comfort. Wherever you sit, you will sit in comfort. Wherever you lie down, you will lie down in comfort.
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Re: Confession

Postby Hanzze » Sat Sep 15, 2012 9:36 am

Dear Cittasanto,

living since longer in a foreign country I think I can understand this a little. Actually the time when I did not understand anything they talked and did not know the ways like they really thinks was the best.
How ever in such a situation you can be sure that 99% of your ideas are simply selfmade and not real. With a good mind setting you will be not disturbed a little even if they realy up to harm you.

After a little time you "know" their ways a little as well as what they talk. Actually the time when I understood a little and know their ways a little was the most worse.
How ever in a situation of feeling harmed you can be sure that 99% of your ideas are simply selfmade and not real. With a good mind setting you will be not disturbed a little even if they realy up to harm you.

If you understand their ways and you understand what they talk 100% you can be sure that in every situation you are disturbed and harmed that your ideas are 99% simply selfmade and not real. With baring in mind that you might could have lost your good mind setting you will again not be harmed even if they really like to harm you.

You got a great place to work, honor it like a outstanding university. Do not see it as being a bad condition for practice.
Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_
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Re: Confession

Postby Cittasanto » Sat Sep 15, 2012 2:43 pm

Hanzze
That was not the situation here.
This offering maybe right, or wrong, but it is one, the other, both, or neither!
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"Others will misconstrue reality due to their personal perspectives, doggedly holding onto and not easily discarding them; We shall not misconstrue reality due to our own personal perspectives, nor doggedly holding onto them, but will discard them easily. This effacement shall be done."
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Re: Confession

Postby Hanzze » Sun Sep 16, 2012 12:28 am

I know, that are the 99%. Not easy. Much wish you much patient.
Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_
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Re: Confession

Postby Annapurna » Sun Sep 16, 2012 6:13 am

Cittasanto,

I found myself in this situation yesterday which caused anger to arise:

I have a holiday apartment for rent.

My guests are of Russian descent, one speaks perfect German, the other only English.

The 6 year old of the English must have lifted the lid of the flushing system and destroyed something so it won't flush anymore.

They refused to accept the boy could have tampered with the flushing system and accused my "defect equipment" (which was running perfectly when checked before check in) and suddenly switched from English which all 3 of us understood, to Russian, in an obvious attempt to share something I wasn't supposed to understand...

I wasn't angry at the time, but it iccured to me later that it was not ok and I am just overall angry over people who damage things and then try to blame the owner.

I can't wait til they leave the house today, as they kept making extra trouble yesterday, like the boy dropping his toys in my cellar for fun and then unable to find it and crying, and the uncle ordering me like a waitress to go find it WHILE I WAS SITTING OUTSIDE WITH MY GUESTS!!!

It's selfcatering, you see, and I am NOT their waitress!

Some people are just overall difficult to deal with, others real easy and considerate...and we all prefer to be with pleasant people...

How are things by you?
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Re: Confession

Postby Hanzze » Sun Sep 16, 2012 6:16 am

:jumping: sorry
Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_
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Re: Confession

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Sep 16, 2012 7:06 am

Hi Anna
Things are OK, there have been changes made to the team due to other reasons, and there are more starting monday.
I'll have a solo gig which will allow a little extra time off and is easier with the job I am supposed to be doing during the day.
I'll PM you

Annapurna wrote:Cittasanto,

I found myself in this situation yesterday which caused anger to arise:

I have a holiday apartment for rent.

My guests are of Russian descent, one speaks perfect German, the other only English.

The 6 year old of the English must have lifted the lid of the flushing system and destroyed something so it won't flush anymore.

They refused to accept the boy could have tampered with the flushing system and accused my "defect equipment" (which was running perfectly when checked before check in) and suddenly switched from English which all 3 of us understood, to Russian, in an obvious attempt to share something I wasn't supposed to understand...

I wasn't angry at the time, but it iccured to me later that it was not ok and I am just overall angry over people who damage things and then try to blame the owner.

I can't wait til they leave the house today, as they kept making extra trouble yesterday, like the boy dropping his toys in my cellar for fun and then unable to find it and crying, and the uncle ordering me like a waitress to go find it WHILE I WAS SITTING OUTSIDE WITH MY GUESTS!!!

It's selfcatering, you see, and I am NOT their waitress!

Some people are just overall difficult to deal with, others real easy and considerate...and we all prefer to be with pleasant people...

How are things by you?
This offering maybe right, or wrong, but it is one, the other, both, or neither!
With Metta
Upāsaka Cittasanto
Blog, - Some Suttas Translated, Ajahn Chah.
"Others will misconstrue reality due to their personal perspectives, doggedly holding onto and not easily discarding them; We shall not misconstrue reality due to our own personal perspectives, nor doggedly holding onto them, but will discard them easily. This effacement shall be done."
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