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Path to Buddhahood

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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Is it just me, or is this discussion becoming rather circular?

It seems clear that the endowments of a Sammāsambuddha, and the conditions for, and qualities of, the sambodhi of an arahant, are separate no matter how one backreads later material into the suttas.
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If I may interject, I think both Tilt and Nana are referring to aspects that aren't really at odds with each other. The Buddha definitely shares the same "sambodhi" as His disciples arahants. This bodhi's scope includes the total elimination of all outflows and defilements, which enable one to put an end to suffering and samsara. However, the Buddha went much further than His disciples arahants and attained what is called "samma-sambodhi", the Perfect/Complete Enlightenment, which, beside the total elimination of outflows/defilements, the scope expands to includes the supernormal abilities only unique to Buddhas (knowing the limits of other people's faculties, direct knowledge of all that's heard and seen, etc..). So, at the end of the day, it's really up to the practitioner's aspiration to choose a path for themselves. S/He can choose the path of "sambodhi", or s/he can choose the path of "samma-sambodhi", they are not completely different since they share the same base scope, just like they are not completely the same since the later would require A LOT more effort and time..

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The Tipiṭaka exhibits a swath of chronological development; the issue here seems to be summed up in terms of whether this corpus is taken as authoritative in toto, or whether that inherent chronological development is itself analyzed for text which seems likely to comprise an earlier strata.

I don't see a resolution where one side is going to be convinced. It is akin to the split between Orthodox/Conservative/Reform/Reconstructionist branches of Judaism with respect to the Talmud, but in terms of the Theravada Abhidhamma & Commentaries instead.

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