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the great vegetarian debate

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Postby Hanzze » Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:17 pm

As long as you do not kill them or cause them to be killed... But to do not cause such conjecture the Buddha told his disiples to abstain from that if they are humans. But it should be not probelm to eat given vegetarians beside humans.
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BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Mon Sep 17, 2012 4:31 pm

Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: the great vegetarian debate

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:53 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Postby Hanzze » Tue Sep 18, 2012 12:35 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Postby Hanzze » Tue Sep 18, 2012 11:18 am

Which particle are allowed or just particles?

Back to human. Maybe its from interesst for the vegetarian worriers and vegan worriers. In the commentary of is written:

"Human beings, horses, and elephants were regarded as too noble to be used as food."
Just that! *smile*


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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Postby DAWN » Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:27 pm

My mother become vegan like me... it's great :woohoo:
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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Postby Hanzze » Thu Sep 20, 2012 1:37 pm

Did you tell her that you would ordinate if she would not do so? :tongue:
Just that! *smile*


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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Postby DAWN » Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:02 pm

Sabbe dhamma anatta
We are not concurents...

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Postby Ryuejaku » Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:45 pm


Vegetarian in reference to not eating meat/sentient beings.

IMPOSSIBLE on Earth.

1. you accidentally eat insects while you sleep
2. im ~85% confident to say all Vegetable products have a government regulation for maximum amount of insects that can be inside food products such as peanut butter, bread etc. ( reason its not 100% is im not gonna research every single product )

Accidental or purposely it does not matter. but eating only vegetable products you can still basically be ~75-95% vegetarian. So in regards to 75-95% vegetarian Id yes yes very possible.

on another note, Black Beans is gr8 for protein for vegans ( one of few plants that is a complete protein. )
50-70 more not bad in no rush

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Postby Ryuejaku » Fri Sep 21, 2012 7:31 pm

50-70 more not bad in no rush

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Postby BubbaBuddhist » Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:19 pm

Personally I love these threads and read the various arguments pro and con with great interest. :popcorn: So keep the fires stoked, my Buddha-homies.

I'm a lacto-ovo vegetarian, seen as a person of great compassion by some and a monstrous supporter of industrialized-torture-factories by others. The views of either don't influence my eating habits either way.

Oh yeah: about once every six weeks or so I consume a hamburger because I have this superstitious belief that every time I do so, one of those angry preachy vegan types chokes to death on a rice cake.

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Postby Hanzze » Sat Sep 22, 2012 1:21 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Postby DAWN » Sat Sep 22, 2012 3:13 am

SN 18.1
Bones And A Lump of Flesh


At one time the Blessed One was living in the squirrels' sanctuary in the bamboo grove in Rajagaha.
At that time venerable Lakkhaõa and venerable Mahàmoggallàna were living in the peaks of the Gijjha rock.
Venerable Mahàmoggallàna wearing robes in the morning and taking bowl and robes approached venerable Lakkhaõa.
Approaching said to venerable Lakkhaõa: ßFriend Lakkhaõa, let us enter Rajagaha for alms.û Venerable Lakkhaõa said: ßYes, friend.û
Venerable Mahàmoggallàna while descending from the Gijjha peak, smiled at a certain spot.
Then venerable Lakkhaõa said to venerable Mahàmoggallàna: ßFriend, Moggallàna, for what reasson did you smile?
Friend, Lakkhaõa, this is not the right time to ask that question. Ask that question in the presence of the Blessed One.û

Then venerable Lakkhaõa and venerable Mahàmoggallàna went the alms round in Rajagaha. After partaking the meal and returning from the alms round approached the Blessed One, worshipped and sat on a side.
Sitting on a side venerable Lakkhaõa said to venerable Mahàmoggallàna: ßFriend Moggallàna, when descending from the Gijjha peak you smiled at a certain spot, for what reason did you smile?û
Friend, when I was descending the Gijjha peak, I saw a skeleton moving in space and it was followed and attacked by vultures, crows, and hawks, and they pull a rib from it and divide it among them, and the skeleton gives a cry of distress.
Friend, then it occurred to me: `Indeed it is wonderful and surprising to see a being, a non-human, a gain of self like this.û'
Then the Blessed One addressed the monks: ßMonks, the disciple should live wisely with aroused knowledge, when he knows, sees or witnesses such a thing.
Monks, in the past I saw this being, yet I did not tell it to anyone. If I had told, others would not believe me and it would be for their ill being and unpleasantness for a long time.
Monks, this person was a slaughterer of cattle in this same Rajagaha. As a result of that action he suffered in hell for many years, for many hundreds of years, for many thousands of years, for many hundred thousands of years. And as a result of that action suffers, having gained that self.û


SN 18.2
(Repeat sutta 18. 1. 1. substituting as follows:)
... When descending the Gijjha peak I saw a muscle moving in space ...
... as this person was a slaughterer of cows in this same Rajagaha ...


SN 18.3
... When descending the Gijjha peak I saw a piece of flesh moving in space ...
... as this person was a bird hunter in this same Rajagaha ...


SN 18.4
... When descending the Gijjha peak I saw a skinned man moving in space ...
... this person was a slaughterer of pigs in this same Rajagaha ...


SN 18.1
... When descending the Gijjha peak I saw a man with knives rising from the body and falling on the body, moving in space ...
.. this person was a slaughterer of pigs in this same Rajagaha ...


SN 18.1
... When descending the Gijjha peak I saw a man with swords rising from the body and falling on the body moving in space ...
... this person was a hunter of wild animals in this same Rajagaha ...


Ven Bhikkhu Bidhi stranslate "slaughter" like "butcher"

Many peoples say that it's OK to buy meat etc cause there is no itention to kill, there is no incitement to kill. But isn't money the incitement to kill?
I think that is not OK to put taste pleasure forward a life of one being. I hope you will never suffer like they suffer.
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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Postby Hanzze » Sat Sep 22, 2012 3:35 am

Do you think that there a butcher who are vegetarians?
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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Postby DAWN » Sat Sep 22, 2012 3:46 am

Technichaly is possible... Some peoples comes vegetarian or vegan cause they have some illness for some products.

Also, there is one law in drug buisness (cause meat is a drug): "never consum your own drug !"
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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Postby Ben » Sat Sep 22, 2012 3:49 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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