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Should sex be demonized so much?

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Re: Should sex be demonized so much?

Postby Dan74 » Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:36 am

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Re: Should sex be demonized so much?

Postby Hanzze » Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:50 am

If I would say that there is no more doubt that sex is unskillfull even it is done "skillful", would that be enough in regard to your question Dan? Would that support you to gain conviction?
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Re: Should sex be demonized so much?

Postby Dan74 » Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:29 am

Conviction in what?

I have no doubt that attachment to sex is unskillful and that generally sex proceeds from attachment. I also have no doubt than I am still attached to sex and that this attachment is unskillful. But I feel that rejecting sex is far from being the top priority of my practice and would be artificial and counter-productive. Rather learning to be skillful - to be attentive to my partner, gentle and thoughtful, in tune with sensuality while exercising self-restraint seem to be more appropriate for my situation and I suspect to most married householders.

What I doubt is that blanket statements like "sex is unskillful" are useful for people in their practice. I very much doubt that for most people these statements truly address where they are in their practice but instead are more likely fan the flames of aversion and foment inner conflict as attested to by the OP and his subsequent comments.
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Re: Should sex be demonized so much?

Postby Hanzze » Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:48 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Should sex be demonized so much?

Postby Dan74 » Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:58 am

Thanks, Hanzze. The Buddha has already said it well.

But what do you have to contribute to this conversation?
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Re: Should sex be demonized so much?

Postby Hanzze » Mon Sep 17, 2012 4:09 am

Good question, we might also find it out for our self.

Maybe this:
Ayya Khema once pointed out that sexuall activity is much connected with the defilement of restlessness, maybe I remember were I saw it. How ever it is a good point to think about it anyway.
While I have seen for expamlpe some tibeten teacher who tell people that it is ok to have sex to calm restlessness, sensuallity can not be overcome by stilling it. But yes, we might solve the actual problem as it seems to us.
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Re: Should sex be demonized so much?

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Re: Should sex be demonized so much?

Postby Hanzze » Tue Sep 18, 2012 1:30 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Should sex be demonized so much?

Postby Alex123 » Tue Sep 18, 2012 2:33 am

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Should sex be demonized so much?

Postby Dan74 » Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:26 am

I find it a bit odd if you mean that this story teaches that sex is bad or that we should leave our families.

Even Gotama after lifetimes of cultivation was married and had a child first before renouncing the life of a householder. Not to mention the fact that he was to become the Buddha, turning the Wheel of the Dhamma, which is a very different story from a noble disciple.

A layperson can go a very long way in practice if not the whole way.
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Re: Should sex be demonized so much?

Postby Hanzze » Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:57 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Should sex be demonized so much?

Postby Dan74 » Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:17 am

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Re: Should sex be demonized so much?

Postby Hanzze » Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:36 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Should sex be demonized so much?

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Re: Should sex be demonized so much?

Postby Hanzze » Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:17 am

How is the situation? If you tell me that you are just in a swinger club, I understand your probelm but even so it has a door.
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Re: Should sex be demonized so much?

Postby Hanzze » Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:28 am

I ask how our (your) situation is, as you told to need to live according it. The should just bring the focus back on the topic and take your "situation-is the messure" with it.
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Re: Should sex be demonized so much?

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Re: Should sex be demonized so much?

Postby Hanzze » Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:39 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_


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