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does this violate the 1st precept? - Dhamma Wheel

does this violate the 1st precept?

Buddhist ethical conduct including the Five Precepts (Pañcasikkhāpada), and Eightfold Ethical Conduct (Aṭṭhasīla).
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does this violate the 1st precept?

Postby marc108 » Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:51 pm

would releasing ladybugs into my garden to eat aphids violate the 1st precept?

thanks :smile:
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Re: does this violate the 1st precept?

Postby Ben » Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:52 pm

Hi Marc,

Ethically, its no different to spraying your garden with pesticide.
kind regards,

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Re: does this violate the 1st precept?

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:11 am

It depends on your intention, as all kamma does. If you release them intending for aphids to die, then it is a breach of the first precept, yes.
Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
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Re: does this violate the 1st precept?

Postby plwk » Tue Sep 04, 2012 3:29 am

You could train them to eat mindfully....

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Re: does this violate the 1st precept?

Postby Cittasanto » Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:42 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: does this violate the 1st precept?

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Re: does this violate the 1st precept?

Postby Mr Man » Tue Sep 04, 2012 6:53 am

It's your decision.

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Re: does this violate the 1st precept?

Postby Sumangalo » Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:50 am

I'm glad you brought up the subject of gardening and pests. I struggle so much with the first precept and gardening. It seems as though it is okay to pass the burden of killing on to others by buying our produce at the grocery store, and meat for that matter, but it's not okay to destroy pests in order to feed ourselves and our families in our own gardens.

This bothers me. We greatly benefit from the killing others do for us Buddhists.

Forgive me for having my doubts about such a fundamental Buddhist teaching, perhaps I'm a "bad" Buddhist. I see the killing of insects to provide food for the world to be a great good.

Thank you for hearing me.

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Re: does this violate the 1st precept?

Postby Hanzze » Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:25 am

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Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: does this violate the 1st precept?

Postby Hanzze » Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:30 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: does this violate the 1st precept?

Postby Sumangalo » Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:13 pm


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Re: does this violate the 1st precept?

Postby santa100 » Wed Sep 19, 2012 3:52 pm

Could try plants that are natural repellents..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphids#Control

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Re: does this violate the 1st precept?

Postby Hanzze » Thu Sep 20, 2012 12:56 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: does this violate the 1st precept?

Postby Sumangalo » Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:45 am

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Re: does this violate the 1st precept?

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Re: does this violate the 1st precept?

Postby Hanzze » Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:04 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: does this violate the 1st precept?

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Re: does this violate the 1st precept?

Postby Hanzze » Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:55 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: does this violate the 1st precept?

Postby manas » Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:06 am

I carefully and gently captured a cockroach yesterday, and this morning placed it into the tank inhabited by my daughter's pet lizard. I felt sorry for the poor insect, but the lizard has to eat.

I've been resisting this for a long time. I must admit that I don't feel comfortable doing it, but I'm trying to 'do my bit' with the upkeep of the pet.

Sometimes, as a layman, life is just complicated.

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perception...fabrications...consciousness that is constant, lasting, eternal, not subject to change, that will stay just as it is as long as eternity."


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