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New Book on Mindfulness by Thanissaro Bhikkhu

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Re: New Book on Mindfulness by Thanissaro Bhikkhu

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Re: New Book on Mindfulness by Thanissaro Bhikkhu

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Re: New Book on Mindfulness by Thanissaro Bhikkhu

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Re: New Book on Mindfulness by Thanissaro Bhikkhu

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Re: New Book on Mindfulness by Thanissaro Bhikkhu

Postby Buckwheat » Thu Sep 20, 2012 3:08 pm

Hi Sylvester,

Ven Thanissaro, in his meditation instructions, does allow for one to relax into jhana until it is a nice solid state, until one is able to repeatedly and quickly enter that state. At this point, where one is very familiar with the state of jhana, one will observe that intentions are still shaping the experience and always have been. Now one must investigate how to remove another layer of intention in order to access deeper jhana. Rinse and repeat.

At least that's how I understand it, and I hope that clarifies some issues you have with his technique.

This is not the best reference out there, but it's the one I could find quickly this morning: http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... mbers.html
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Re: New Book on Mindfulness by Thanissaro Bhikkhu

Postby Goob » Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:43 pm

Yes, I too would like you to unpack that statement since it's been reapeated quite a few times in this thread now without any elaboration on where exactly Ven. T doesn't do your teacher justice. A couple of sentences of your understanding of the issue or perhaps a quote or two just to go beyond three word insinuations.

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Re: New Book on Mindfulness by Thanissaro Bhikkhu

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Thanks Mike. I was more specifically addressing Tilt though.

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Re: New Book on Mindfulness by Thanissaro Bhikkhu

Postby Buckwheat » Sun Sep 23, 2012 5:16 am

Hi all,

From a vipassana perspective, when you say "bare attention", what does "bare" refer to? ie: bare of what?

Ven Thanissaro seems to imply that bare represents unconditioned, but I have a feeling this is not the intention of vipassana teachers. In Ch 3 and Ch 4, his criticisms do seem overly sharp, which detracts from the beneficial points that are buried in a slew of criticism. But in Ch 5, his analysis seems to be getting back to a more beneficial approach. In the intro, he suggested readers may skip Ch 2-4. Maybe later editions will condense that matter by omitting some of the negativity. I do see his point for wanting to differentiate other teachers' interpretations of mindfulness, but there is a difference between constructive criticism and negativity. His tone seems off in these chapters.

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