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Birthday the atta/jati celerbration

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Birthday the atta/jati celerbration

Postby Hanzze » Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:01 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Birthday the atta/jati celerbration

Postby Ben » Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:14 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Birthday the atta/jati celerbration

Postby Hanzze » Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:17 am

The first word that comes to my mind was: perverse (contrariwise)

Somehow it is as perverse for our normal understanding to celerbrate death.
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Re: Birthday the atta/jati celerbration

Postby Ben » Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:18 am

ok, but what's the big deal about celebrating (or not celebrating) birthdays?
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Birthday the atta/jati celerbration

Postby Hanzze » Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:27 am

That's a good question, that even carries the answer.
Just that! *smile*


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Re: Birthday the atta/jati celerbration

Postby Ben » Fri Sep 21, 2012 11:29 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Birthday the atta/jati celerbration

Postby Hanzze » Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:57 pm

Can you explain what you mean by sorted?
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Re: Birthday the atta/jati celerbration

Postby Ben » Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:05 pm

Yes.
In this context it means 'resolved'.
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Birthday the atta/jati celerbration

Postby Hanzze » Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:08 pm

Great. Let us keep silent. ;)
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Re: Birthday the atta/jati celerbration

Postby Ben » Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:11 pm

No, I would prefer you tell me why you have a problem with celebrating birthdays.
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Birthday the atta/jati celerbration

Postby Hanzze » Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:17 pm

Nothing, as long as it is does not generate to a Buddhist tradition. Although, that is also not a big deal.

Let me ask you why it is a big deal for you to know why it would be maybe a big deal with a problem with celebrating birthdays?
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Re: Birthday the atta/jati celerbration

Postby Ben » Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:20 pm

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Birthday the atta/jati celerbration

Postby Hanzze » Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:24 pm

I guess to answer this would just be a rebirth of the previous post. So we can say, the first birthday. Let us celerbrate. :candle:

Do you find that this makes sence? Or is it somehow irritating to celerbrate such a happening?
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Re: Birthday the atta/jati celerbration

Postby Ben » Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:29 pm

Do you find your birthday celebrations irritating, Hanzze?
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Birthday the atta/jati celerbration

Postby Hanzze » Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:51 pm

To celebrate* birthday is somehow allways iritating ("exciting, provoking"). In case of jati-worship or atta-worship and Dhamma the word "provoking" seems to be the most appropriate.

* 1. to observe (a day) or commemorate (an event) with ceremonies or festivities
2. to make known publicly; proclaim
3. to praise widely or to present to widespread and favorable public notice, as through newspapers or novels.
4. to perform with appropriate rites and ceremonies


What about addoting this common tradition/ceremony and give it a new color? Maybe a kind of Jati-remember-day, a kind of special meditative day. Or would that be to much iritating?
Just that! *smile*


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Re: Birthday the atta/jati celerbration

Postby Ben » Fri Sep 21, 2012 1:58 pm

I think you're reading too much into it, Hanzze.
Its not unknown for monks to have a birthday celebration.
In fact, my friend Ajahn Dhammanando, is in Chiang Mai at the moment to celebrate the 90th birthday of his preceptor.
But if one wishes to celebrate their birthday to attend a meditation retreat and one does not have any family obligations - well and good.
kind regards,

Ben
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Birthday the atta/jati celerbration

Postby Hanzze » Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:07 pm

Well I know such occations as well... crazy times aren't they.

Birthdayparties are very modern in SEAsian Wats, even with baloons, firework,... It's somehow differnt if people invite and celerbrate to their brithday and if people would take it as a possibility to pay gratitude.

Some years ago, people even did not know their birthday. It is really something special if a 90 years old monk would know his birthday, that is nothing ordinary. I guess that tratition is more a annual ritual which might got confused with birthday.
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Re: Birthday the atta/jati celerbration

Postby rowyourboat » Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:18 pm

We sometimes give a Dane to the local temple in view of the birthday. I guess it is an 'excuse' to make the birthday boy or girl feel special- an act of generosity and mudita. We are not celebrating 'birth', more it is doing something nice for that person. We have to look at it from a conventional metta,dana perspective rather than an ultimate vipassana, yonisomanasikara perspective.

With metta

Matheesha
Ps- my birthday is coming up soon, so I maybe bit biased :D
With Metta

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Re: Birthday the atta/jati celerbration

Postby Hanzze » Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:04 am

Just that! *smile*


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Re: Birthday the atta/jati celerbration

Postby Ben » Sat Sep 22, 2012 3:30 am

Hi Hanzze,

Like many things, birthdays can be used to strengthen one's conceit, greed and ego, or it could be a tool to express one's gratitude, to develop humility and loving kindness.
kidn regards,

Ben
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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