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I guess it does not make much sence of keeping watching anicca as long as it is fabricated, what does not mean that it can be good to watch for it, again and again. "This is not"and let go "This is not" and let go.

With a anicca perception we will not easily be able to observe it.
Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_
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ohnofabrications wrote:Hi tilt, if you understand what I am saying and object, please explain instead of hiding behind vague phrases that only serve to assert that you know more. If you do not, but wish to, keep seeing annicca. If you don't, and don't wish to, please continue as you are.
  • If I stood still, I sank; If I struggled, I was carried away.
    Thus by neither standing still nor struggling, I crossed the flood.
    SN 1 1
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ohnofabrications wrote:Hi tilt, if you understand what I am saying and object, please explain instead of hiding behind vague phrases that only serve to assert that you know more. If you do not, but wish to, keep seeing annicca. If you don't, and don't wish to, please continue as you are.
Tilt is giving you excellent advice. Perhaps you need to practice some more and think about some of the things Tilt has said to you.
kind regards,

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Whool Rahula Samyutta (SN 17) is about anicca.
http://www.metta.lk/tipitaka/2Sutta-Pit ... ggo-e.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

SN 17.3
Consciousness


I heard thus. At one time the Blessed One was living in the monastery offered by Anàthapiõóika in Jeta's grove in Sàvatthi.
Then venerable Ràhula approached the Blessed One worshipped and sat on a side.
Sitting on a side venerable Ràhula said to the Blessed One: ßVenerable sir, Blessed One, may I be taught so that I would withdraw and seclude and abide diligent and zealous to dispel.û

Ràhula, is eye-consciousness permanent or impermanent?û
It's impermanent, venerable sir.û
That which is impermanent is it unpleasant or pleasant?û
It's unpleasant, venerable sir.û
That which is impermanent, unpleasant, a changing thing is it suitable to be considered `that is mine, I am that, it's my self?'û
That is not so, venerable sir.û

Ràhula, is ear-consciousnes ... re ...
... re ... nose-consciousness ... re ...
... re ... tongue-consciousness ... re ...
... re ... body-consciousness ... re ...
... re ... mind-consciousness permanent or impermanent?û
It's impermanent, venerable sir.û
That which is impermanent is it unpleasant or pleasant?û
It's unpleasant, venerable sir.û
That which is impermanent, unpleasant, a changing thing is it suitable to be considered `that is mine, I am that, it's my self?'û
That is not so, venerable sir.û

Ràhula, the noble disciple seeing it thus, turns away from eye-consciosness, turns away from ear-consciosness, turns away from nose-consciosness, turns away from tongue-consciosness, turns away from body-consciosness and turns away from mind-consciosness.

Turning away detaches himself, is dispassionate and is released. Released, knowledge arises, `Birth is destroyed, the holy life is lived, duties are done, there's nothing more to wish'.û

tiltbillings wrote:
ohnofabrications wrote:Hi tilt, if you understand what I am saying and object, please explain instead of hiding behind vague phrases that only serve to assert that you know more. If you do not, but wish to, keep seeing annicca. If you don't, and don't wish to, please continue as you are.
  • If I stood still, I sank; If I struggled, I was carried away.
    Thus by neither standing still nor struggling, I crossed the flood.
    SN 1 1
Love this sutta.
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Hanzze wrote:I guess it does not make much sence of keeping watching anicca as long as it is fabricated, what does not mean that it can be good to watch for it, again and again. "This is not"and let go "This is not" and let go.

With a anicca perception we will not easily be able to observe it.
I do not quite understand what you said above. Could you explain a bit more, or say in different words, if possible.
Thanks.
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Anicca is not a useful object of meditation as long it is not seen as it really is but just a perception. That could easy lead to ramdom, a very long random.
Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_
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Hanzze wrote:Anicca is not a useful object of meditation as long it is not seen as it really is but just a perception.
I disagree. Anicca is always a useful object of meditation no matter what, and to see anicca is to see phenomenon as it really is. Of course, the depth or degree of anicca perception may be different for different people of different insights.
"And what is the perception of inconstancy? There is the case where a monk — having gone to the wilderness, to the shade of a tree, or to an empty building — reflects thus: 'Form is inconstant, feeling is inconstant, perception is inconstant, fabrications are inconstant, consciousness is inconstant.' Thus he remains focused on inconstancy with regard to the five clinging-aggregates. This, Ananda, is called the perception of inconstancy.
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Yes, good if known that it is a perception and,

"There is the case where a monk — having gone to the wilderness, to the shade of a tree, or to an empty building..."

And at least, he knows or remembers: "this is called the perception of inconstancy"

Over all a good valve, as long as this fabrication is know as fabricated.
Just that! *smile*
...We Buddhists must find the courage to leave our temples and enter the temples of human experience, temples that are filled with suffering. If we listen to Buddha, Christ, or Gandhi, we can do nothing else. The refugee camps, the prisons, the ghettos, and the battlefields will become our temples. We have so much work to do. ... Peace is Possible! Step by Step. - Samtach Preah Maha Ghosananda "Step by Step" http://www.ghosananda.org/bio_book.html

BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Punna Sutta Nate sante baram sokham _()_
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ohnofabrications
"deathless" is when one realized that there is no death!

There is a difference between a dream world and the real world.
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equilibrium wrote:ohnofabrications
"deathless" is when one realized that there is no death!

There is a difference between a dream world and the real world.
There is no death and no birth in that ohnofabrications was discover.
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look at all this consciousness... how conscious it all is!
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