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Path to Buddhahood

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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Re: Path to Buddhahood

Postby David N. Snyder » Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:18 am

Which "nibbana" does a samma-sam-buddha "go to" and which "nibbana" does an arahant "go to" ? ;) (rhetorical question because . . .)

They are the same.
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Re: Path to Buddhahood

Postby santa100 » Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:26 am

Tiltbillings wrote:
"Do explain again, please"

Below is the very first post I wrote for this thread:
"If I may interject, I think both Tilt and Nana are referring to aspects that aren't really at odds with each other. The Buddha definitely shares the same "sambodhi" as His disciples arahants. This bodhi's scope includes the total elimination of all outflows and defilements, which enable one to put an end to suffering and samsara. However, the Buddha went much further than His disciples arahants and attained what is called "samma-sambodhi", the Perfect/Complete Enlightenment, which, beside the total elimination of outflows/defilements, the scope expands to includes the supernormal abilities only unique to Buddhas (knowing the limits of other people's faculties, direct knowledge of all that's heard and seen, etc..). So, at the end of the day, it's really up to the practitioner's aspiration to choose a path for themselves. S/He can choose the path of "sambodhi", or s/he can choose the path of "samma-sambodhi", they are not completely different since they share the same base scope, just like they are not completely the same since the later would require A LOT more effort and time.."

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Re: Path to Buddhahood

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Re: Path to Buddhahood

Postby santa100 » Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:39 am

THe suttas are quite clear in mentioning the 10 epithets of the Buddha, 2 of which are: arahant And samma-sambodhi. The power, if you will, is part of the samma-sambodhi package, not the bodhi package. Also, your used the word "complete perfect awakening" is meant for samma-sambodhi ( samma: full/complete/perfect And sambodhi: self-awakening); while sambodhi without the "samma" is tranlasted as "self-awakening"..

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Re: Path to Buddhahood

Postby Dmytro » Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:55 am

Speaking of Ven. Mahakassapa - it's inspiring to read how he has attained Arahantship:

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... el345.html


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Re: Path to Buddhahood

Postby cooran » Sun Sep 23, 2012 5:53 am

Hello all,

Epithets for the Buddha are found in the traditional Recollection of the Buddha practice, based on the classical text on this meditation - which is the passage on Buddhanusati in the Visuddhimagga. ("Path of Purification") :

Recollection of the Buddha
http://www.arrowriver.ca/dhamma/budhsati.html

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Re: Path to Buddhahood

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Re: Path to Buddhahood

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Re: Path to Buddhahood

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Thank you tiltbillings, I find that you make things very clear and easy to understand

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Re: Path to Buddhahood

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Re: Path to Buddhahood

Postby santa100 » Sun Sep 23, 2012 3:30 pm

Tiltbillings wrote:
"Essentially outside of the question of omniscience, there is not a power the Buddha acheived that technically is not possible for others to attain, but to achieve them all, is really only for the Buddha, which gives him his special place"

Thank you Tilt. I'm glad that you also share this view, which is pretty much all I've wanted to emphasize throughout the thread. From now 'til a great many eaons into the future, there'll be many noble disciples following our great Buddha's footsteps and become arahants. And out of those great number of Worthy Ones, there'll be a man who will be able to match the Buddha's capabilities in every single aspect, His name is Metteyya, our great Future Buddha.. :anjali:

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Re: Path to Buddhahood

Postby santa100 » Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:14 am

Tiltbillings wrote:
"I probably do not share it so much as I acknowledge it. The points I have made are rather simple. Bodhi, which is another way of speaking of nibbana, is not omniscience and all those other powers, and the bodhi attained by the Buddha is what he taught could be attained by becoming arahant. You do not not have to agree with that, but it is what the texts show."

Thank you for the clarification. I agree that you do not have to agree with me. My point is just as simple, for also from what the texts show, becoming arahant sure is sufficient to put an end to suffering but not to attain every single aspect of capabilities like those of the Buddha..

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