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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Postby DAWN » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:24 pm

David N. Snyder wrote: daughter went hard-core vegan.


She keep it very strict?
If there is somethink speacial in they practice? If is not a secret :thinking:
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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Postby David N. Snyder » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:32 pm

DAWN wrote:
David N. Snyder wrote: daughter went hard-core vegan.


She keep it very strict?
If there is somethink speacial in they practice? If is not a secret :thinking:


Yes, she is vegan only, all the time. She chose it mostly on ethical grounds, but also is aware of the nutritional case for it too.
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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Postby DAWN » Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:37 pm

David N. Snyder wrote:
DAWN wrote:
David N. Snyder wrote: daughter went hard-core vegan.


She keep it very strict?
If there is somethink speacial in they practice? If is not a secret :thinking:


Yes, she is vegan only, all the time. She chose it mostly on ethical grounds, but also is aware of the nutritional case for it too.


Thanks!
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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Postby BubbaBuddhist » Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:01 pm

When ever omni/carnivores want to debate with my bad vegetarian self, I unbutton my shirt to reveal this:
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--bring out a carrot stick, growl, and loudly pop off a bite. End of debate.

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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:10 pm

Ben wrote:No, its not.

kind regards,

Ben

You've never ripped a line of primo ground beef before?

Here where I live, they call it "Bombay chuck." I've heard it's over 90% pure; none of that 30% fat street stuff.
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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Postby DAWN » Sat Sep 22, 2012 6:55 pm

BubbaBuddhist wrote:When ever omni/carnivores want to debate with my bad vegetarian self, I unbutton my shirt to reveal this:
Image

--bring out a carrot stick, growl, and loudly pop off a bite. End of debate.

BB


Thanks you a lot !

I will confirm myself in my vegan-ego and make some vegan t-shirt :pig: :namaste:
http://www.spreadshirt.fr/tee-shirt-per ... 185435%3As
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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Postby Ben » Sat Sep 22, 2012 11:06 pm

Hi LY,
LonesomeYogurt wrote:
Ben wrote:No, its not.

kind regards,

Ben

You've never ripped a line of primo ground beef before?

Here where I live, they call it "Bombay chuck." I've heard it's over 90% pure; none of that 30% fat street stuff.


I work a lot with food. I'm very careful regarding the quality of ingredients I buy whether it be for home or work.
If I am buying mince (ground beef) I ensure that it is premium quality. Anything less than premium quality I feed to my dogs.

With regards to spilling the contents and cleaning up - if the blood gets into fabrics such as clothes or tea towels, the stain will only set if it is washed in hot water. Soak in cold water with generic laundry powder.

I am much more careful when it comes to the liquid that comes out of chicken meat. It can contain nasties that can make you sick.

Always use special purpose cutting boards for different types of cooked and raw food to avoid cross-contamination and always ensure personal hygiene before and after food prep.
BTW, I have heard the term "Bombay Duck" but didn't know it referred to ground beef (beef mince)!
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Was Buddha a vegetarian ?

Postby maverick » Sun Sep 23, 2012 8:38 am

Just curious.
Are there any stories in the text that describe what was his usual diet like ?
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Re: Was Buddha a vegetarian ?

Postby cooran » Sun Sep 23, 2012 8:46 am

Hello maverick,

No, the Buddha was not vegetarian. He was an alms-mendicant - this means he ate only what people gave him, and did not store food for another day.

''As recorded in the Pali scriptures, the Buddha did not prohibit consumption of meat, even by monks. In fact, he explicitly rejected a suggestion from Devadatta to do so. In modern Theravada societies, a bhikkhu who adheres to vegetarianism to impress others with his superior spirituality may be committing an infringement of the monastic rules.

On the other hand, the Buddha categorically prohibited consumption of the flesh of any animal that was "seen, heard or suspected" to have been killed specifically for the benefit of monks (Jivaka Sutta, Majjhima Nikaya 55). This rule technically applies only to monastics, but it can be used as a reasonable guide by devout lay people.''
http://www.urbandharma.org/udharma3/vegi.html

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Re: Was Buddha a vegetarian ?

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:08 am

maverick wrote:Just curious.
Are there any stories in the text that describe what was his average diet like ?

there are no specific tellings of diet, but there are references, this page may help answer your questions somewhat
http://dhammawiki.com/index.php?title=V ... d_Buddhism
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Re: Was Buddha a vegetarian ?

Postby Hanzze » Sun Sep 23, 2012 9:32 am

Maybe useful, to understand the eightfold Path and Diet (even not the best english): Buddha Dharma and Food - consider food as path to liberation
Just that! *smile*
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Re: Was Buddha a vegetarian ?

Postby David N. Snyder » Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:19 pm

maverick wrote:Just curious.
Are there any stories in the text that describe what was his average diet like ?


Yes, there are indications. I was curious too, so took the time to go through the Tipitaka and record every instance where it discusses what he ate. He was not vegetarian, but pretty close; about 97% vegetarian and not too much vegan. See:

Diet of Buddha
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Re: Was Buddha a vegetarian ?

Postby David N. Snyder » Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:07 pm

David N. Snyder wrote:Diet of Buddha


97% vegetarian and about 72% vegan (I just counted the vegan references).

And based on the above, I think it is a win-win for both sides in the veg. debates. The vegetarians can say that the Buddha was 97% or almost completely vegetarian. And the omnivores can say that the fact that he ate some meat, any meat, shows that he did not ban it, nor is there the direct intention in regard to killing.
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Re: Was Buddha a vegetarian ?

Postby perkele » Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:16 am

David N. Snyder wrote: The vegetarians can say that the Buddha was 97% or almost completely vegetarian.

which is maybe not quite such a meaningful statement in face of the fact that he did not choose his own food buth just accepted almsfood given to him.
But I think it goes to show that his supporters and almsgivers took the precept of abstaining from killing seriously.
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Re: Was Buddha a vegetarian ?

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Mon Sep 24, 2012 3:37 am

You can infer from the texts that the Buddha was passively vegetarian, but did consume meat when it was offered.

Like David said, he clearly had a primarily meat-free diet.
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Re: Was Buddha a vegetarian ?

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:20 am

perkele wrote:
David N. Snyder wrote: The vegetarians can say that the Buddha was 97% or almost completely vegetarian.

which is maybe not quite such a meaningful statement in face of the fact that he did not choose his own food buth just accepted almsfood given to him.
But I think it goes to show that his supporters and almsgivers took the precept of abstaining from killing seriously.

the only way that could be known about the supporters is if they never gave him meat
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Re: Was Buddha a vegetarian ?

Postby Hanzze » Mon Sep 24, 2012 6:38 am

There is much danger in drawing a direct connection between the wordly trend of Vegetarism and that what is taught and practiced by the Buddha and his noble disiples. So everybody should give this point very much attention and wisly reflecting.

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Re: Was Buddha a vegetarian ?

Postby Ron-The-Elder » Fri Sep 28, 2012 3:46 pm

David N. Snyder wrote:
David N. Snyder wrote:Diet of Buddha


97% vegetarian and about 72% vegan (I just counted the vegan references).

And based on the above, I think it is a win-win for both sides in the veg. debates. The vegetarians can say that the Buddha was 97% or almost completely vegetarian. And the omnivores can say that the fact that he ate some meat, any meat, shows that he did not ban it, nor is there the direct intention in regard to killing.


Can we say that Buddha was 100% Buddhist?....or must we give some credit to those Buddhist practices overlapping Brahmanism? As with the benefits of various moral practices, including "doing no harm", the dhamma is the dhamma no matter what the source or who or what deserves the credit for recognizing it. :hug: :group:
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Re: David's Book: Vegetarians/Bhuddists Q/A

Postby Hanzze » Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:43 am

Mind is the forerunner of all (good) conditions!

And its not a matter of which kind of pleasure one craves for, but that craving for pleasure is the cause of unpleasant results. For one self and for others.

Cambodians traditionally do not eat much fruits, just what the find next to them, seasonal food next to them. I guess it was not different some times ago in Thailand as well. Now we even can gain motorbikes and TV throught serving for the desire for pleasure of the world.

So good. They even start to eat more fruits, as they have more money jet and it does not depend on season and region any more. We live in a great world of compassion, arn't we. We even have zoo's and wildlife foundations now and animal founds.

From 70% forest to about 14% in only 30 years, but the export increases and we all are so wealth and even health now.

Does anybody know how old "buddist" the vegitarian boom is?
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Re: the great vegetarian debate

Postby Ron-The-Elder » Sat Oct 13, 2012 9:37 pm

I think that I could have made Buddha into a vegan if I had introduced him to a Thai dish I have only found in Rochester, New York called : "Evil Prince in The Jungle". It is made with Thai egg plant, bean sprouts, rice noodles, chilly peppers, garlic, fresh basil, and minced onions. I don't believe onions and garlic were allowed, though. "Excellent Dish!" I don't really know why. :coffee:
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