Consciousness arise from anicca.

[DAWN]

I see that consciousness arise from anicca.
Is there is any sutta or other text or opinion that confirm or afirm that statement ?

[mikenz66]

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .nymo.html

Viññāṇaṃ bhikkhave, anattā, ...
"Bhikkhus, consciousness is not self. Were consciousness self, then this consciousness would not lead to affliction, and one could have it of consciousness: 'Let my consciousness be thus, let my consciousness be not thus.' And since consciousness is not-self, so it leads to affliction, and none can have it of consciousness: 'Let my consciousness be thus, let my consciousness be not thus.'

Mike

[mikenz66]

Here are some sutta references to the origin of consciousness:

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

Dependent on the eye & forms there arises eye-consciousness. The meeting of the three is contact.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

'Consciousness exists when name-&-form exists. From name-&-form as a requisite condition comes consciousness.'

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .nypo.html

"And this consciousness, O monks, what is its source...? Consciousness has kamma-formations as its source and origin...

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

"He discerns consciousness, the origination of consciousness, the cessation of consciousness, the path of practice leading to the cessation of consciousness. He discerns the allure of consciousness, the drawback of consciousness, and the escape from consciousness.

See also: http://what-buddha-said.net/library/Bud ... B1%C4%81na


Mike

[DAWN]

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn22/sn22.059.nymo.html

Viññāṇaṃ bhikkhave, anattā, ...
"Bhikkhus, consciousness is not self. Were consciousness self, then this consciousness would not lead to affliction, and one could have it of consciousness: 'Let my consciousness be thus, let my consciousness be not thus.' And since consciousness is not-self, so it leads to affliction, and none can have it of consciousness: 'Let my consciousness be thus, let my consciousness be not thus.'

Mike

Anicca > Dukkha > Anatta
Thanks you

And actualy, is much more simple, consciousness depends on dhammas, so automaticly it arise from Anicca Dukkha and Anatta proprieties of dhammas.
All that arise arise from Anicca Dukkha and Anatta.

I think that dhutanga pracice use this aspect of consiousness and anicca, when you feel that you can die at any moment, you feel anicca by your whool being, by dwelling in the forest, your consciousness is on his maximum, the light on his maximum, insight on his maximum, concentration on his maximum, your practice os on maximum.

Thanks you

PS i go in forest

[Hanzze]

How do you come to this conclution? "so automaticly it arise from Anicca Dukkha and Anatta proprieties of dhammas. "

Is and/or conditioned are somehow different.

[DAWN]

How do you come to this conclution? "so automaticly it arise from Anicca Dukkha and Anatta proprieties of dhammas. "

Is and/or conditioned are somehow different.

Actualy i wake up at 3am, in the middle of the night, and i perefere this moment of the 'day' cause is very quiet, is vary pure atmosphere, very silients, very peacefull, but also your consciousness is very clear powerfull mind is calm etc etc.
And i couldnt understand why my consciousness is more clear more powerfull at this period of time. So this morning, at the moment of waking up, this thought arise in me. And i understood why the consciousness is powerfull at 3am, cause its smels anicca, our animal nature automaticly pass on mode 'awearness' cause it's dark, no visibility, no control, potential danger, you must survive... Anicca > Consciousness

Also some exemples of life that show it to us.

When there is routine of our life, consciousness is weak, you see some kind of fog. But when some evenement arise who is not a part of this routine, it's like a FLASH !!
Also, i dont know how it is in the world, but in france, majority of road accident occur near the home, when your vigilence, your consciousness is weak, when the routine is here the driver is surprisend and not ready to some evenement that not enter is his routine, so an accident accur.
Also, more scientificly, if we take a vawe that arise from 0 comes to +1 and after goes to -1, so this wave mouvement is anicca, +1/-1 is dhammas, 0 is true nature of dhammas, and between 0 and +1 there is consciousness. So if there is no anicca, there is no consciousness.


When the one go to dhutanga, the one have to make it anicca

[DAWN]

Inwardly anicca brings light in our mind
Outwardly anicca brings light in our house

Why?

Because nuclear power stations, and all power stations, use anicca to produce electricity, wich nature is light.
Also, to attract our attention, our consciousness, car constructors use anicca in turn signal etc.

[Hanzze]

Oh yes, we don't like stability on our search for it. We fear nicca. Crazy isn't it.

[ground]

I see that consciousness arise from anicca.

I'd say "anicca" is a consciousness and it arises from sankharas in the sphere of ignorance.

From ignorance as a requisite condition come fabrications. From fabrications as a requisite condition comes consciousness. ... Such is the origination of this entire mass of stress & suffering.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .than.html

[Hanzze]

Another consciousness aroses and it seems to be if it would came out of anicca. Ignorant, sorry.

[ground]

Another consciousness aroses and it seems to be if it would came out of anicca. Ignorant, sorry.

No, "anicca" is a consciousnesness but it does not arise from anicca but from formations (sankharas) in the sphere of ignorance. But if an awareness of the "Bahyia type" is present while applying words and terminology however one cannot say that the words and terminology which are manifestations of consciousness in a conventional wordly sense arise in the sphere of ignorance. Why? Because the awareness of dependent origination is present and integrated with the application of words and terminology.

[Hanzze]

Sure, we have a lot of exuses.

If dependent origin would be present, there would be no arising of keybord value.

[ground]

Sure, we have a lot of exuses.

If there is identification with and appropriation of aggregates the volition to excuse one-self may arise.

If dependent origin would be present, there would be no arising of keybord value.

In the sphere of dependent origination there arises whatever arises. Only in the sphere of dependent cessation arising ceases. But this sphere necessarily is the sphere where formerly identification with and appropriation of aggregates took place. So what ceases refers to that experiential sphere and not to what may be seen, heard, smelled etc. in spheres where identification with and appropriation of aggregates still takes place

[Hanzze]

I guess (which is maybe a arising of consciousness of course mixed with convetional language "guess" to do not cause a maybe inappropriate appearance of knowing) that you still have a problem with the difference identification of what could be reminders and what is for sure supported by causing additional karma, and therefor in the sphear of even incedible ignorance.

Just give it a honest prove. That is the factor of believe and that there will be something like knowing. Unconstracted knowing. Give the arising of the keybord value much attention and you need to use face value to do so.

[ground]

I guess (which is maybe a arising of consciousness of course mixed with convetional language "guess" to do not cause a maybe inappropriate appearance of knowing) that you still have a problem with the difference identification of what could be reminders and what is for sure supported by causing additional karma, and therefor in the sphear of even incedible ignorance.

No "I" no problem.

Just give it a honest prove.

Who needs proof? No lack, no need.

[Hanzze]

Then it could be also the mystic of consciousness arising from nibbana. Wish you to meet friend Dukkha again, before it might be to late. Otherwise thanks that you share what ever reminds out of compassion with us.