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Cakkavatti?

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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Hanzze
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Re: Cakkavatti?

Postby Hanzze » Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:35 am

I guess such things are difficult to understand. A sociaty which has strict orders, simply values of respect and clear autorities is not easy to understand for "modern" man. "A Good Buddhist or simply an authoritarian leader" may seem to be controversy but actually both has to come together incl. that what was pointed out by the quote of Ajahn Sumedho below.

Even good actions of authoritarian leader seem to create easy aversion, but that is lesser a fact of how it/they really is/are but a reaction out of traumata. Today there is much believe in a kind of Waldorf-Leadership, which is for sure great (if the karmic precondition are present) but in no way a general solution.
Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Cakkavatti?

Postby whynotme » Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:04 am

Thank you bhikkhu Gavesako for sharing knowledge, but the perfect society link is extremely hard to read

@ Hanzze,

I believe in freedom, it is not the goal but the requirement for the goal. Actually most of comforts we are using are the co-produce of freedom, free to discovery, free to think, free to do, internet, TV, car, phone,.. so IMO, at least show some gradtitude. I don't believe in strict rulers, it seems it is just a way to apply what you like and what you dislike to others. Great leaders should guide people, not force them, and people should have the choice to do it or not, even for the good things. By making decisions, people understand themselves and take responsibilites of themselves. Good things should be taught but if they don't like enlightenment, then let them be. Respects and orders should be built based on guides, teachings, and making example and understanding, not based on forcing. You need a good goal and a good method to reach that goal. In reality it is very hard, so we need talents but IMO, current situation is quite good, and freedom is not that bad at all.

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Re: Cakkavatti?

Postby Hanzze » Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:20 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Cakkavatti?

Postby Hanzze » Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:26 am

A maybe irritating and somehow hard (of course not free from defilements) statement a little related to the topic:

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Cakkavatti?

Postby whynotme » Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:48 am

Please stop following me

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Re: Cakkavatti?

Postby Hanzze » Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:58 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Cakkavatti?

Postby Hanzze » Thu Sep 27, 2012 7:47 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Cakkavatti?

Postby Raksha » Thu Sep 27, 2012 2:14 pm

In earlier times world monarchs stood shoulder to shoulder with the gods...so, not very likely today :smile:
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