Arahants still experiencing pain AND suffering ?

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Re: Arahants still experiencing pain AND suffering ?

Postby whynotme » Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:44 am

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Re: Arahants still experiencing pain AND suffering ?

Postby Hanzze » Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:50 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Arahants still experiencing pain AND suffering ?

Postby whynotme » Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:16 am

Of course sotapanna still has ignorance, but do you think he will kill others, kill his parents? The ignorance of sotapanna is different to a normal person, you and me, he already saw the path, he will not kill his parents which is an action lead to hell.

Do you think someone who think he is an arahant while he is not, can be a sotapanna? This is a novice mistake, a wrong viewing on the path, not a small mistake

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Re: Arahants still experiencing pain AND suffering ?

Postby Hanzze » Thu Sep 27, 2012 10:29 am

I guess your thought are maybe to wide spread. We talked about tears and if a sotapanna could have such. I thought we took distance form the story and the person already. No even the killing of parents appears (which is no more possible for a sotapanna, yes)

"Do you think someone who think he is an arahant while he is not, can be a sotapanna?" Yes, as is still present.

"...not a small mistake" It could be violating of the Bhikkhu rules, but we are not here to judge this (a person, a being), aren't we?
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Re: Arahants still experiencing pain AND suffering ?

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Re: Arahants still experiencing pain AND suffering ?

Postby BubbaBuddhist » Thu Sep 27, 2012 12:13 pm

Furthermore, a sottapanna can apparently also have sexual intercourse, see Lady Kali for one example (Hemavata Sutta; Sutta Niipata 153.80) among others.

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Re: Arahants still experiencing pain AND suffering ?

Postby drifting cloud » Sun Sep 30, 2012 1:33 am

At risk of sounding trollish, maybe the best answer to this question is to become an arahant and see what happens?

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Re: Arahants still experiencing pain AND suffering ?

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Re: Arahants still experiencing pain AND suffering ?

Postby Hanzze » Sun Sep 30, 2012 2:40 am

whynotme,

Who would feel pain if there is no more identification with it? Have you ever seen somebody bleeding and the thought, "Ohh, he must suffer", but as soon as you asked him, he even did not know that he bleeds. That is in case of uncounciousness out of ignorance. There is also the case of no surface (uncounciousness) out of understanding.

If you search for a sample for it, this might be useful even it is not rally correct compareable.

Or you might know shock situations, where the mind is so aware, that there is no real sensation even there are heavy wounds.
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