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How to see deeply into one's own mind?

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How to see deeply into one's own mind?

Postby whynotme » Thu Sep 27, 2012 3:18 pm

Hi everyone,

Sometimes I feel something arise but I don't know why, e.g I suddenly feel fear, but don't know exactly what to fear. I don't know what is going on in the unconsciouness and I want to know what is going on in the unconsciouness state. How can I gain deep insight view of my own mind? Is jhana or samatha required? Or is there any other method?

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Re: How to see deeply into one's own mind?

Postby DAWN » Thu Sep 27, 2012 4:58 pm

Have a pure and calm mind.

On the black canvas we cant see any color, but on the white (transparent like a glass is better) canvas we can see all colors
We cant see what is hidden on the fundus of a lake when there is a lot of vawes, but when it's smooth and calm we can see very clearly, exactly, and deeply.

When the canvas is clean, even a point is visible
When the water is calm, even a little vawe is visible

To see the light you must be dark
To see the dark you must be light

The same with mouvement, temperture, emotions ... all
Using duality to reach the nonduality
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Re: How to see deeply into one's own mind?

Postby whynotme » Fri Sep 28, 2012 4:53 am

Thank you DAWN, can you explain in a more simple way? E.g if I fear the spider, despite I know it can not harm me, but I still fear, I don't know what is wrong with me. How can I know what is wrong in my mind?

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Re: How to see deeply into one's own mind?

Postby DAWN » Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:13 am

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Re: How to see deeply into one's own mind?

Postby Hanzze » Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:31 am

So we have a "True Pure Nature of Buddha"? Or real "I"?
Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: How to see deeply into one's own mind?

Postby DAWN » Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:03 am

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Re: How to see deeply into one's own mind?

Postby Hanzze » Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:07 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: How to see deeply into one's own mind?

Postby DAWN » Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:24 am

Sabbe dhamma anatta
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Re: How to see deeply into one's own mind?

Postby Hanzze » Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:05 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: How to see deeply into one's own mind?

Postby DAWN » Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:42 am

What the one will do with his memory after his death? with all his experiance after his death? with all his knowledge after his death?
When the body is death, the body is death. There is no soul.
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Re: How to see deeply into one's own mind?

Postby Hanzze » Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:21 am

actually mostly not. There is just the flame of desire which gives a new rise. So we use mind to understand mind. Its not about polishing our mind to be eternal or destroy it to fade for ever. We use mind to understand it, we use it somehow against it self. For this porpose we need to train it, so that it would stay where we need it.

To go back on the topic. To be able to use our mind to look in our mind, we start to look around a little. Like if we are in a dirty house and realice that we are actually not in a good an health situation.
We start to abstain from making dirt. It would be nonsens to start to clean, if we do not reduce or even abstain form making dirt. This we make in observing precepts. Then we also give away and clean the rooms a little from thinks we do not need. It does not make sense if we start washing the floor and 1001 things are standing around. They are not only dirt catcher but also hide dirty palces. This we practice by letting go of possesion (Dana) and then we start to clean.
The better we observe to abstain from making new dirt and the better we have cleared the field form unnessesarities, the more success will we have to reach the real floor and get to know it.
We can wash and clean as crazy if the do not clear the field and abstain from makeing more dirt as naturally. This is the way to be able to see deeper in ones mind. Even it seems that there is a quicker way, it is not possible beside it.
When we have cleaned it on a raw level, we are able to contionue with samadi. To try samadi without those needs amoung or befor it, will not bring success. Even if we might be able to reach the floor by polishing a small part, the nessesary surface is not reached yet. It could be even that we are frustrated if we have seen the clear floor but facing the dirt everywhere. So a solide step by step work with a lot of faith and trust is very wise and even sustainable.

Some would face a situation where they only need to polish one time because they used to work on it for a long time in the past. But to be in such a situation is somehow rare. So there is nothing lost anyway to make it according to the prescription.
A good cleansman enemy is slatternliness, starting from down and cleaning the upper later; laziness, don't clear the field from object fist; hastiness, don't make it step by step and just blur the dirt; and lacking in concentration, steping with his dirty feets into the clean areas again.

It's somehow a good training to start cleaning outwardly and get the chaos around one self sorted. How could one see his mind, clean his mind if he is not able to maintain orderliness, discipline and cleaness outside? Swepping, washing, sorting are good trainings, especial if they are even done slowly and mindfully.
Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: How to see deeply into one's own mind?

Postby m0rl0ck » Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:41 am

To see clearly into the true nature of mind, follow these 2 easy steps:

1. Pick a meditation method from one of the major traditions, its good to pick one that has a teacher within comparatively easy access in case you need advice.

2. Practice with regularity, sincerity and fearlessness.

Following the above steps, you virtually cannot fail to learn something about mind.
“The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.” ― Robert M. Pirsig

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Re: How to see deeply into one's own mind?

Postby whynotme » Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:18 am

Thank you Hanzze, DAWN and m0rl0ck.

As I disagree with many teachers who claimed attained samatha or jhana, I don't think samatha or jhana alone can help seeing truly deeply into the mind. I try to see the problem in the wide common sense/ seek resolutions from as many sources as possible. To me the teaching of the Buddha is the best but translating classical texts into actual understanding and achievement is quite a hard work. So any advice is welcome, even from science, psychology, different traditions..

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Re: How to see deeply into one's own mind?

Postby Hanzze » Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:19 am

But away all "science, psychology, different traditions" first.
Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: How to see deeply into one's own mind?

Postby whynotme » Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:39 am

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Re: How to see deeply into one's own mind?

Postby Hanzze » Sat Sep 29, 2012 5:29 am

Dear whynotme,

its not really helpful to squash Buddhas way into a construct out of "science, psychology, different traditions". Its much better to give away one and addopt the new.

There was an occation where a follower of another sect wanted to join the Sangha. Buddha refused and told him to get free of his old ideas first. Its better to empty the way of thoughts from trash and incomplete things first and only after that take the new perceptions which are required to walk the way. Riding on two vehicles at the same time might be hurtful and risky.

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To give away the old intelectual possession is sometimes the most difficult "letting go".
Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: How to see deeply into one's own mind?

Postby DAWN » Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:27 am

Just look at you breath.

It's the whool path.
All the rest is for fun.
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Re: How to see deeply into one's own mind?

Postby whynotme » Sat Sep 29, 2012 10:41 am

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Re: How to see deeply into one's own mind?

Postby Hanzze » Sat Sep 29, 2012 10:57 am

Yes, whynotme, therfore throw the knowledge (the needed will come up by it self) away and go to the field work. I am sure a meditation teacher or a retreat is very helpful aside to fist steps of Dana and Sila.
Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: How to see deeply into one's own mind?

Postby whynotme » Sun Sep 30, 2012 2:07 am

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