Right Livelihood, business in meat

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Right Livelihood, business in meat

Postby marc108 » Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:11 pm

I have been wondering about the details of no business in meat but can't seem to find any Suttas with details.
Would this include the owner of a restaurant that sells cooked meat dishes, or is it meant specifically for those selling and slaughtering live animals?

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Re: Right Livelihood, business in meat

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Fri Sep 28, 2012 5:36 pm

I believe that most people include raising animals for slaughter, slaughtering, butchering, and selling meat as wrong livelihood; it is not necessarily improper to buy meat and cook it for customers, but I think it's definitely one of the less wholesome livelihoods out there.
Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
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Re: Right Livelihood, business in meat

Postby Annapurna » Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:18 pm

Yep. Raising animals with the intention to sell them to a slaughterhouse and slaughtering them is wrong livelyhood.

Being a farmer is not so good, expecially when you are not growing stuff organically, = without the use of insectides.
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Re: Right Livelihood, business in meat

Postby Hanzze » Sat Sep 29, 2012 12:36 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Right Livelihood, business in meat

Postby Hanzze » Sat Sep 29, 2012 12:46 am

Just that! *smile*


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Re: Right Livelihood, business in meat

Postby Annapurna » Sat Sep 29, 2012 11:23 am

I don't know, it probably depends on the circumstances and outcome.

Like, when you sell a foal to have it living with people who want to sit on it's back, for sports, it would not be so problematic. (Obviously inspired by Ben's foal.... :smile: )

I watched a documentayr abot Haflinger this week, where they were breeding a high class version of this horse, and a good foal is just as expensive as a good car, like 50 000 €.

It's an intelligent, healthy and eager horse.

They say they WANT to learn and train new things so badly they get jealous of horses which are taken to lessons before them.

It speaks for the owners and trainers very much that the horses are enjoying their work so much they can't wait to go!

I think that's how it should be and how we should treat our winged and hoofed friends.

But a think the calf of a cow has another destiny and raising it---it's always exploitation for some species, Ausbeutung, and as such problematic.

Your thoughts, Hanzze?
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Re: Right Livelihood, business in meat

Postby Annapurna » Sat Sep 29, 2012 11:46 am

Image

Fot those of you who've never seen a Haflinger, here's a pretty one.

White long mane and tail are typical.
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Re: Right Livelihood, business in meat

Postby Hanzze » Sat Sep 29, 2012 11:59 am

Just that! *smile*


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Re: Right Livelihood, business in meat

Postby Annapurna » Sat Sep 29, 2012 12:47 pm

Hanzze, I am aware of the situation of animals, be it for slaughter, as a pest, or as a companion and (sports-) friend.

An animal's existance is a sad one, for more than one reason, and there was a reason why the being was born into a deprived situation and perhaps think of what Buddha said to Angulimala, when he complained about people treating him badly.

That doesn't mean we should abuse and beings, but that we keep in mind, there is a reasion and a purpose for everything that happens to us and others.

No cause without effect.

This is also no lack of compassion, just a lack of passion, at least for me.

I am just a sober realist, who also harbours a few little dreams, still.

I can only change myself.

Not others.

Do you think you can change others....?
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Re: Right Livelihood, business in meat

Postby Hanzze » Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:00 pm

I don't think so, I am just able to abstain to use them as much as possible especial if it is simply for pleasure. Did I change you? :smile: If not, I wasted again some unnessesary energy. :shock: So I better think about it that it was not wasted.

Do I use you when I use you to learn? But I guess I am out of "business in meat" now.
Just that! *smile*


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Re: Right Livelihood, business in meat

Postby Hanzze » Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:16 pm

Do you know (German Pferd = horse), which is indeed made of horse meat, otherwise not widely consumed in the German language area. Popular in Vienna, Austria.

Actually very tasty.

Horse meat was long time a "poor mans food" as it was not taken by others as regard as taboo. A death horse was some (vulture) food for the poor. ( Today its a gourmet food and a run of it from calory conscious and health conscious people. Foal meat is a very tender meat.

Interesting to read: especial "Attitude of various cultures"
Just that! *smile*


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Re: Right Livelihood, business in meat

Postby Annapurna » Sun Sep 30, 2012 7:22 am

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Postby Annapurna » Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:40 pm

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Re: Right Livelihood, business in meat

Postby Hanzze » Mon Oct 01, 2012 12:47 am

Like to try it?
Just that! *smile*


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Re: Right Livelihood, business in meat

Postby Annapurna » Mon Oct 01, 2012 6:02 am

Why, do you want to bring some by? ;)
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Re: Right Livelihood, business in meat

Postby theY » Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:34 am

Above message maybe out of date. Latest update will be in massage's link.
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