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Why is it important to value and see our Conditions?

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Why is it important to value and see our Conditions?

Postby Hanzze » Sun Sep 30, 2012 1:29 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Why is it important to value and see our Conditions?

Postby Ben » Sun Sep 30, 2012 1:50 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Why is it important to value and see our Conditions?

Postby Hanzze » Sun Sep 30, 2012 2:00 am

I would say in the east as well. Even there is still a faith believe in making merits, people do not understand what it means to make merits and mistake it in a simply worldly way. Of coures there is much worldly success out of it in the east, what we can see by our self. They transfomed this traditional effort very well into western material values. 1000 years back (on the materialistic side) and mastered in just 30 -40 years! Can the west do the same in regard of mental mastering?

Modern people would never be easy to bring up so much effort and "sacrifies" to gain things. There is just the missing of the right object on one part of the earth and the missing or value of the benefit of effort on the other part on earth. Somehow a situation which needs a lot of effort that not both just addopt the wrong and forget the own qualities and objects. Otherwise the over all situation does not look very well.
Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Why is it important to value and see our Conditions?

Postby Ben » Sun Sep 30, 2012 2:17 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Why is it important to value and see our Conditions?

Postby Hanzze » Sun Sep 30, 2012 2:26 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Why is it important to value and see our Conditions?

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Re: Why is it important to value and see our Conditions?

Postby Hanzze » Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:13 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Why is it important to value and see our Conditions?

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Re: Why is it important to value and see our Conditions?

Postby Hanzze » Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:53 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Why is it important to value and see our Conditions?

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Re: Why is it important to value and see our Conditions?

Postby Hanzze » Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:41 am

The unconditioned path the the unconditioned. Well what a nice dream /idea. So what has been the preconditions to reach such an insight? Bodily stirrings? Caused by?

Thanks for you example to show how easy one could mis to value his conditions and waste it (possibility) by missunderstanding their means. Looks like we are a good team.
Just that! *smile*


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Re: Why is it important to value and see our Conditions?

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Re: Why is it important to value and see our Conditions?

Postby Hanzze » Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:55 am

Last edited by Hanzze on Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:26 am, edited 1 time in total.
Just that! *smile*


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Re: Why is it important to value and see our Conditions?

Postby ground » Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:26 am

No need for further elaboration. All is good as it is or is not.

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Re: Why is it important to value and see our Conditions?

Postby Hanzze » Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:30 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: Why is it important to value and see our Conditions?

Postby Hanzze » Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:03 am

So are the echos caused by just remainings or by a child fascinated from the effects it is able to produce? What is the cause of an echo?

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Just that! *smile*


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Re: Why is it important to value and see our Conditions?

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Sep 30, 2012 11:11 am

Hanzze
This idea that the end result is inevitable is just like the saying "all roads lead to Rome," on a limited understanding you should be able to take any road and reach Rome, but in reality you could still be 10,000 miles away. this sort of message should always be joined with following the right roads of practice.
but there is also the issue of the right/perfect conditions, and the need to create them externally which is just as dangerous. Both of these can lead to inaction or inappropriate/dissident action.

How do you suppose gratitude be expressed in the situation here on this forum? would this include paying attention to what is said; refraining from fallacy arguments, assuming another's agrument... or something else? and how would having gratitude and faith change anything if they are not acted upon? but how do you relate gratitude with "mundane" right view; particularly "there is what is given"?


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Why is it important to value and see our Conditions?

Postby DAWN » Sun Sep 30, 2012 11:29 am

Sabbe dhamma anatta
We are not concurents...

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Re: Why is it important to value and see our Conditions?

Postby Hanzze » Mon Oct 01, 2012 4:41 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_


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