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How do you note impermanence, dissatisfaction, and non-self? - Dhamma Wheel

How do you note impermanence, dissatisfaction, and non-self?

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Mal
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How do you note impermanence, dissatisfaction, and non-self?

Postby Mal » Sun Sep 30, 2012 2:45 pm

I read that in Vipassana (inight) meditation the mind should be directed to experienced phenomena, such as thoughts or sensations, to see them clearly as impermanent, dissatisfying, and non-self.

How exactly do you 'see them clearly' and know that you are seeing them clearly?

For instance, during the in-breath, do you note them using internal verbalisation:

1) "unsatisfying."

2) "impermanent."

3) "not self"

... when these things become apparent about the breath?

If I just "attend and let go" as many texts say then how do I now that I'm not just vapidly watching stuff, like the wife watching a football match and not taking anything in? Does it just "click" that these things you are watching are impermanent, dissatisfying, and non-self? Could the 1), 2), 3) verbal analysis be helpful? Like if you get the wife to shout out "offside", "penalty", "free kick", she concentrates a lot harder and learns a lot more about the game?

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Re: How do you note impermanence, dissatisfaction, and non-self?

Postby bodom » Sun Sep 30, 2012 2:57 pm

Ajahn Chah often emphasized in his teachings that by simply seeing impermanence that the other two characteristics would become apparent. There is no need to constantly be repeating "anicca, dukkha, anatta...anicca, dukkha, anatta." Just focus on seeing impermanence, this is the gateway to seeing all three. This is also supported by a number of suttas. If you have access to Analayos satipatthana commentary he gives a list of these suttas in a footnote on pg. 102.

:anjali:
To study is to know the texts,
To practice is to know your defilements,
To attain the goal is to know and let go.

- Ajahn Lee Dhammadharo


With mindfulness immersed in the body
well established, restrained
with regard to the six media of contact,
always centered, the monk
can know Unbinding for himself.

- Ud 3.5


https://www.dhammatalks.org/index.html
http://www.ajahnchah.org/

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Re: How do you note impermanence, dissatisfaction, and non-self?

Postby DAWN » Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:39 pm

For anicca = That arise, so it's pass away, so it's impermanent
For dukkha = That arise, so it's pass away, so attachement to it - is dukkha
For anatta = That arise, so it's pass away, so it's conditioned, so it's anatta
Sabbe dhamma anatta
We are not concurents...

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Re: How do you note impermanence, dissatisfaction, and non-self?

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:08 pm

Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: How do you note impermanence, dissatisfaction, and non-self?

Postby Mal » Sun Sep 30, 2012 5:34 pm


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Re: How do you note impermanence, dissatisfaction, and non-self?

Postby Mal » Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:03 pm

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Re: How do you note impermanence, dissatisfaction, and non-self?

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:04 pm

Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: How do you note impermanence, dissatisfaction, and non-self?

Postby DAWN » Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:06 pm

Without anicca there is no consciousness,
so by keeping mindfulness, automaticly you note anicca, without thoughts etc.

So to note anicca you have nothing to do, perharps make the light clearer and stronger (concentrate).
Sabbe dhamma anatta
We are not concurents...

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Re: How do you note impermanence, dissatisfaction, and non-self?

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:07 pm

Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: How do you note impermanence, dissatisfaction, and non-self?

Postby Mal » Sun Sep 30, 2012 7:39 pm


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Re: How do you note impermanence, dissatisfaction, and non-self?

Postby Hanzze » Mon Oct 01, 2012 6:56 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: How do you note impermanence, dissatisfaction, and non-self?

Postby Mal » Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:06 am


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Re: How do you note impermanence, dissatisfaction, and non-self?

Postby Hanzze » Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:20 am

Sound all very good Mal, much mudita! And also wish you much joy by exploring the mind and gaining insight step by step. The tinitus sound is for sure a good place to observe if it is presenter as any thing else. You will be amazed who it will diapear if you do it in the right way, but just go back to the breath or what ever is your object of observance.
Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Re: How do you note impermanence, dissatisfaction, and non-self?

Postby Mal » Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:24 pm


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Re: How do you note impermanence, dissatisfaction, and non-self?

Postby Hanzze » Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:05 pm

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_


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