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Isnt it a Buddhist belief that so called Demons exist?

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Isnt it a Buddhist belief that so called Demons exist?

Postby Ervin » Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:58 am

How does karma work in relation to so called Demons, Are they subject to it? And what does Buddhism say on how do Demons operate?

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Re: Isnt it a Buddhist belief that so called Demons exist?

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Wed Oct 03, 2012 6:46 am

The only real "demons" in Buddhist cosmology would be the Hungry Ghosts, who don't often interact with humans. There are occasionally mentions of demons who reign in hell realms but they are often presented in a clearly symbolic way.

Devas, on the other hand, are heavenly beings - far more angel than demon.

All beings, including heavenly ones, are bound by Karma. They have been born as gods because of past actions.
Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: Isnt it a Buddhist belief that so called Demons exist?

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Postby Khalil Bodhi » Wed Oct 03, 2012 9:48 am

Also, don't forget the Asura who battled the Devata for the control of heaven. I believe they are more clearly the parallel of the Judeo-Christian fallen angels:

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Re: Isnt it a Buddhist belief that so called Demons exist?

Postby James the Giant » Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:13 am

Here's a gruesome modern depiction of Asura http://www.cgarena.com/gallery/3d/descr ... /asura.jpg
Here's a modern version of Mara, as seen by the Sri Lankans... but a warning, it's in the shape of a monstrous penis. yeah you heard me. http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q104 ... hoto22.jpg
http://lparchive.org/Shin-Megami-Tensei ... 3-MARA.jpg
Cool imagery.
I'm not at all spooked by the silly traditional depictions of demons, but these weird tentacle things and spiders and Asura freak me out.
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Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:31 am

The actions of the demons who are the wardens of hell are described in the of the Majjhimanikāya.

I guess the demons are also suffering greatly having to do such gruesome work, just as present-day executioners, riot-police, and prison-wardens have to suffer mental anquish while inflicting suffering on others. Though they themselves are not criminals, they have to associate with criminals and face numerous threats and abuse on a daily basis, which is not a happy kammic result.
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Postby Khalil Bodhi » Wed Oct 03, 2012 12:52 pm

To avoid all evil, to cultivate good, and to cleanse one's mind — this is the teaching of the Buddhas.
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Postby Hanzze » Thu Oct 04, 2012 1:18 am

Just that! *smile*


BUT! it is important to become a real Buddhist first. Like Punna did: Nate sante baram sokham _()_

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Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:26 pm

See the article on in the DPPN, and the admonition to Māra given by Moggallāna in the .
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Re: Isnt it a Buddhist belief that so called Demons exist?

Postby Alex123 » Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:42 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: Isnt it a Buddhist belief that so called Demons exist?

Postby DAWN » Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:19 pm

Only that i know is that demons are made by fear. Some kind of anti-mater.
Barionic (light) mater is made by gravitation, by unification, by love. Demons are made by fear, by devision, by anti-gravitation.

They are not visibles by eye be cause our eye can see only the light.
They are feed by fear, and hurt by love.

So if you have deal with it, you must to know that its just some beings like you, who knows suffering (much more suffering, they even take delight in it) and want just to be happy, to survive, to exist.
They just want exist, this why they make us fear sometimes, because in this fear they exist, by this fear they feel their existence.

Feel compassion to them. :hug:

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Re: Isnt it a Buddhist belief that so called Demons exist?

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:31 pm

Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: Isnt it a Buddhist belief that so called Demons exist?

Postby cooran » Sat Nov 03, 2012 10:12 pm

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