MN 20. Vitakkasaṇṭhāna Sutta

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MN 20. Vitakkasaṇṭhāna Sutta

Postby jcsuperstar » Tue Jun 16, 2009 2:13 pm

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the mountain may be heavy in and of itself, but if you're not trying to carry it it's not heavy to you- Ajaan Suwat

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Re: MN 20. Vitakkasaṇṭhāna Sutta

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Re: MN 20. Vitakkasaṇṭhāna Sutta

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Re: MN 20. Vitakkasaṇṭhāna Sutta

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Re: MN 20. Vitakkasaṇṭhāna Sutta

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:02 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

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Re: MN 20. Vitakkasaṇṭhāna Sutta

Postby rowyourboat » Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:14 am

if you have an uncontrollable anger and literally want to murder someone you could do lot worse than clench your teeth to let the wise side of you get back in control and to stop the defilement from taking over

there are cultural predispositions here as to what amount of effort is considered 'suitable' for a meditative practice. In the dhamma there are no strict rules, only principles- do whatever that works to get where you want to go ( which is the cessation of craving, aversion and delusions ie the cessation of suffering)
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Re: MN 20. Vitakkasaṇṭhāna Sutta

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Re: MN 20. Vitakkasaṇṭhāna Sutta

Postby rowyourboat » Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:36 pm

it is an important point to note -these practices are done by someone who is intent on 'a higher consciousness' (adhi citta) ie- it is samatha. The end result is a unified mind as the sutta mentions. What the sutta doesnt mention is that vipassana will have to be done to achieve enlightenment in this way (there is no insight gained by removing defilments this way- hence they are likely to arise again)
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