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The Cart Simile

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:38 am

Hi All,
Does anyone remember where in the canon the cart is used in an example to illustrate the body as an assembly of parts?
similar to Bodhidharma in China, or sister Vajira or am I simply remembering the Sister Vajira sutta?


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Re: The Cart Simile

Postby Ben » Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:59 am

Greetings Cittasanto,

Are you sure its not the chariot?
kind regards,

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Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: The Cart Simile

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:07 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: The Cart Simile

Postby Ben » Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:23 am

Hi Cittasanto,
I think it could be the same one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vajira
kind regards,

Ben
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: The Cart Simile

Postby tsurezuregusa » Fri Oct 12, 2012 12:28 pm

Hi Cittasanto,

the Ven. Nagasena uses the chariot as a metaphor in the first chapter of the Milindapanha to explain the anatman-doctrine to the Greek king Menandros.

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Re: The Cart Simile

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Oct 12, 2012 3:26 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: The Cart Simile

Postby daverupa » Fri Oct 12, 2012 5:54 pm

Interesting implications, I should think.

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Re: The Cart Simile

Postby rowyourboat » Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:20 pm

"Now I am frail, Ananda, old, aged, far gone in years. This is my eightieth year, and my life is spent. Even as an old cart, Ananda, is held together with much difficulty, so the body of the Tathagata is kept going only with supports.

http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... .vaji.html



Even royal chariots
well-embellished
get run down,
and so does the body
succumb to old age.
But the Dhamma of the good
doesn't succumb to old age:
the good let the civilized know.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka ... ml#dhp-151

I know its not the same thing but I wondered if this was what you were referring to.

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Re: The Cart Simile

Postby daverupa » Fri Oct 12, 2012 10:41 pm

Thank you in any event; it's nice to have the cart 'simile' in this context, as opposed to the rather cognitive "sum of parts" version.

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Re: The Cart Simile

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:14 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: The Cart Simile

Postby theY » Sun Oct 14, 2012 6:53 am

Visuddhimagga Diṭṭhivisuddhiniddesa claim to that sutta, and have another about 12 similes in that niddesa.

http://books.google.co.th/books?id=B_UW ... &q&f=false
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