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Gotrabhu Citta

Postby Cassandra » Sun Oct 14, 2012 3:05 pm

Does anyone who what it means please? Are there any suttas which mention the Gotrabhu Citta?
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Re: Gotrabhu Citta

Postby gavesako » Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:54 pm

No, the word "gotrabhu" occurs in a Sutta passage with unclear meaning but probably just meaning "a member of the Sangha". Later the Abhidhamma and commentaries develop a theory in which gotrabhu is one of the preliminary stages to awakening. The Thai forest teachers get the idea from there and, based on their own experience, talk about such a stage in one's practice. For example:


Samādhi means the mind that is firmly concentrated, and the more you practise the firmer the mind becomes. The more firmly the mind is concentrated, the more resolute in the practice it becomes. The more you contemplate, the more confident you become. The mind becomes truly stable - to the point where it can't be swayed by anything at all. You are absolutely confident that no single mind-object has the power to shake it. Mind-objects are mind-objects; the mind is the mind. The mind experiences good and bad mental states, happiness and suffering, because it is deluded by mind-objects. If it isn't deluded by mind-objects, there's no suffering. The undeluded mind can't be shaken. This phenomenon is a state of awareness, where all things and phenomena are viewed entirely as dhātu11 (natural elements) arising and passing away - just that much. It might be possible to have this experience and yet still be unable to fully let go. Whether you can or can't let go, don't let this bother you. Before anything else, you must at least develop and sustain this level of awareness or fixed determination in the mind. You have to keep applying the pressure and destroying defilements through determined effort, penetrating deeper and deeper into the practice.
Having discerned the Dhamma in this way, the mind will withdraw to a less intense level of practice, which the Buddha and subsequent Buddhist scriptures describe as the Gotrabhū citta12. The Gotrabhū citta refers to the mind which has experienced going beyond the boundaries of the ordinary human mind. It is the mind of the puthujjana (ordinary unenlightened individual) breaking through into the realm of the ariyan (Noble One) - however, this phenomena still takes place within the mind of the ordinary unenlightened individual like ourselves. The Gotrabhū puggala is someone, who, having progressed in their practice until they gain temporary experience of Nibbāna (enlightenment), withdraws from it and continues practising on another level, because they have not yet completely cut off all defilements. It's like someone who is in the middle of stepping across a stream, with one foot on the near bank, and the other on the far side. They know for sure that there are two sides to the stream, but are unable to cross over it completely and so step back. The understanding that there exist two sides to the stream is similar to that of the Gotrabhū puggala or the Gotrabhū citta. It means that you know the way to go beyond the defilements, but are still unable to go there, and so step back. Once you know for yourself that this state truly exists, this knowledge remains with you constantly as you continue to practise meditation and develop your pāramī. You are both certain of the goal and the most direct way to reach it.

http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Path_Peace.php

Emptiness means that we have seen the reality of the material world. The mind is different from the body, distinct and absolutely separate. One can compare it to going to another world, having the feeling of witnessing another world - not the world of conventions, not the world of the I or me, not the world of beings, persons, me and mine, us and them. It is a world that exists of freedom. The mind definitely flies up heading towards it, but cannot reach it yet. It has to return again, back to the conventions. But at least, when we have come as far as this, we will know, that if we keep investigating in this direction many times and get to see things clearly many times, then we should be able to see the Dhamma, realize the Dhamma. This knowledge of the possibility of advancing into freedom is called gotrabhu- nyana. Comparing it to the rocket, it means that our rocket has left the field of gravity of this world and is heading on to another universe. The third stage has already given it the power to shoot on and on. At this stage we are very inspired to practise. Nobody has to remind us to put forth effort, to do walking meditation or sitting meditation, we want to do it by ourselves.

http://www.dhammatalks.net/Books5/Ajahn ... ration.htm
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Re: Gotrabhu Citta

Postby SarathW » Sun Oct 14, 2012 11:39 pm

Cassandra wrote:Does anyone who what it means please? Are there any suttas which mention the Gotrabhu Citta?


Bhante Gavesko has given a very detaild explanation and I can comfirm the same with the information found as per follwing link.

Page 468 and 461 of
http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/abhidhamma.pdf

Gotrabhu—lit., means ‘overcoming the worldly lineage’.
The object of this thought-moment is Nibbàna,
but the actual realization of Nibbàna by the eradication
of passions occurs at the Path thought-moment that
immediately follows. This particular thought-moment
in the three higher stages of Sainthood is termed
‘vodàna’ (pure) as the aspirant is already an Ariya.

I hope this may give you further clarification.
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Re: Gotrabhu Citta

Postby Cassandra » Mon Oct 15, 2012 3:34 pm

Thank you both.
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Re: Gotrabhu Citta

Postby gavesako » Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:20 pm

Interesting paintings from Wat Phra Rupa, Suphanburi, Thailand. They show the progress on the path of the meditator (yogavacara) who sees the dangers of the wheel of Samsara and develops the four divine abidings (brahmavihara), then advances towards the other shore (Nibbana) through the stages of gotrabhu, sotapanna, sakadagami, anagami and arahant.

(The picture representing the gotrabhu stage is the one before last at the bottom of the page: it shows the meditator taking Nibbana as the object of his insight knowledge and is about to enter the noble clan.)

ภาพปริศนาธรรม : ฝีมือช่างพื้นบ้าน วัดพระรูป (ตอนต่อมา)
http://www.oknation.net/blog/print.php?id=130519

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Re: Gotrabhu Citta

Postby SarathW » Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:15 am

Bhante Gavesako,
Could you give the translation for that picture. It is so interesting to note the management skills of the Buddha. First thing I learnt in management school is to set a clear objective so as to achieve any goal.
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Re: Gotrabhu Citta

Postby gavesako » Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:27 am

There is only a short description as I wrote above, but it is interesting to note that this explanation was probably part of the esoteric "yogavacara" path of meditation which was wide-spread in Thailand until the reforms at the end of 19th century. Such graphic illustrations would have been common in those days. Their understanding of Nibbana might have been different from the "reformed" view of it though.
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Re: Gotrabhu Citta

Postby SarathW » Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:59 am

For matter of interest, In my language (Sinhalese) we use the word "Gotra" to convey the meaning " caste" or "lineage"
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Re: Gotrabhu Citta

Postby SarathW » Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:23 pm

Gotrabhu Citta:
Most crusial and important point of spiritual life!
Please read page 300 of:

http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/printguna.pdf
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