daverupa wrote:Fairly useless without experimental design and predictive ability, thereby failing to distinguish itself from any other speculation.
The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data'.
rowyourboat wrote:I think it is not a matter of proof but a matter of faith
gavesako wrote: ...
Then there are other well-documented cases in the West which involve young children, consider for example the boy who remembered details of his past life as a fighter pilot shot down in WWII:
Someone who does not accept rebirth as the most obvious explanation should at least suggest some other way how all that information "got inside their brain" and how they acquired the special abilities which they display at a very young age.
Alex123 wrote:gavesako wrote:When a neurosurgeon found himself in a coma, he experienced things he never thought possible—a journey to the afterlife.
It is interesting that these "journeys" tend to occur in hospital when a person is pumped with drugs or when brain malfunctions...
How do we know that these memories are not by-product of the brain and/or its malfunction?
drifting cloud wrote:Because in many cases of reported OBE or NDE, the individual is not "pumped full of drugs", they are clinically dead.
drifting cloud wrote:It's not a question of "brain malfunctions"; there is literally no detectable brain function. And yet these people continue to experience.
drifting cloud wrote:How is it possible that a person has conscious experience, and can sometimes even report things that were said and done in their presence, with no brain function?
gavesako wrote: so he calls it the Inner Science as opposed to Outer Science
Mawkish1983 wrote:I used to be very troubled by these discussions. I've come to realise that whether there is an afterlife or not, whether consciousness is brain-made or not, whether rebirth occurs or not, I am still going to die. Regardless of my beliefs or otherwise, death will take me.
Mawkish1983 wrote:I'm coming to terms with that now. Nothing I have yet perceived is eternal or permanent.
gavesako wrote:Then there are other well-documented cases in the West which involve young children, consider for example the boy who remembered details of his past life as a fighter pilot shot down in WWII:
Colloquialism; I mean, "I will die."Mal wrote:Obviously. But where will death take you?Mawkish1983 wrote:Regardless of my beliefs or otherwise, death will take me.
A joke or a serious question? My answer, Occam's razor. Natural phenomena and their driving mechanisms can be predicted reliably to a reasonable degree of accuracy if the delusion of permanence is abandoned.Mal wrote:How do you know? You haven't been around eternally to tell whether "something" is permanent or not.Mawkish1983 wrote:I'm coming to terms with that now. Nothing I have yet perceived is eternal or permanent.
I'm a physicist. The physical mechanisms driving the sun are familiar to me. I have very directly perceived those mechanisms in a different context.Mal wrote:There are some objects that are always there to our perception - the sun for instance. Astronomical theory suggests that the sun will die, but that's a theory, not anything you have perceived.
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