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Seperate forums for Jhana and Insight

Postby twelph » Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:11 am


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Re: Seperate forums for Jhana and Insight

Postby Ben » Wed Oct 17, 2012 1:39 am

Greetings twelph

The separate forums for samadhi & jhana meditation and insight/vipassana meditation is in keeping with theory and (for very many people) practice. There are two streams of meditation in the theravada. They are samadhi/samatha/jhana, and vipassana. Samadhi has as its goal the development of the jhanas, and vipassana has as its goal the destruction of the mental defilements. They go together but for many people they are practiced separately. Issues relating to samadhi/samatha are different from vipassana/insight. Hence, there are two different meditation fora to accommodate discussions on vipassana and jhana, and one 'general' meditation forum.
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Re: Seperate forums for Jhana and Insight

Postby manas » Wed Oct 17, 2012 6:34 am

Greetings twelph,

I agree with you, and I suspect we are not alone. But sadly we are in the minority; as Ben has pointed out, in mainstream Theravada a distinction is made between 'insight' and 'calm' meditations that, as you have pointed out, does not exist in the actual suttas.

I have found that you can quote evidences from the suttas till the cows come home on this one, but all this will do is bring you vexation. Traditions are very hard to change. Best just to accept that this is a great forum, can be very supportive and instructive, but like all human creations, isn't perfect. I've actually learned alot about patience with views that conflict with my own here. It's a good training ground for patience, a forum where many Buddhists come together, with many different views but all bound by the injunction to speak with courtesy! Very good training... :thumbsup:

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Re: Seperate forums for Jhana and Insight

Postby mikenz66 » Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:09 am


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Re: Seperate forums for Jhana and Insight

Postby twelph » Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:17 pm


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Re: Seperate forums for Jhana and Insight

Postby mikenz66 » Thu Oct 18, 2012 1:04 am


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Re: Seperate forums for Jhana and Insight

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Oct 18, 2012 1:06 am

Greetings,

The very simple answer seems to be that if you want to discuss them jointly, you can do so in the "Theravada Meditation" section.

If you wish to address either separately, you can do so in the "Samatha Meditation and Jhana" and "Insight Meditation" sections, as appropriate.

The current structure allows you the flexibility to raise topics in which samatha and vipassana may be discussed jointly or in isolation, as per your personal preference.

Metta,
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