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Obama swats fly, PETA responds

Postby David N. Snyder » Thu Jun 18, 2009 2:23 pm

Pres. Obama swatted a fly during an interview, killing it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rbUH_iVjYw

And then PETA responded. When you hear "PETA responded" you may tend to think "okay here comes another extremist outlandish statement" but they actually had a pretty good response this time:

He isn’t the Buddha, he’s a human being and human beings have a long way to go before they think before they act.”

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Re: Obama swats fly, PETA responds

Postby Jechbi » Thu Jun 18, 2009 3:39 pm

To me it looks like he thought about it beforehand.

This is actually kind of interesting. Obama generally is very deliberate and very much aware of his public persona in interview settings. One of his strengths is his presence of mind and his ability to do and say what he means. As silly as this might sound, I think that when Obama killed the fly, it was a calculated move to take advantage of the circumstances and send a message about the kind of president he is: precise, accurate, in control of his surroundings, and potentially deadly. No need to put him on a pedestal, as much as we might like him.
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Re: Obama swats fly, PETA responds

Postby Ben » Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:32 pm

Interestingly, I was listening to the radio yesterday which included a reading from the journal of an adventurer in the Canadian wilderness in the 17th Century. The reading was the conversation between the English explorer and an Indian chief in the style of the Milinda Panha where both were quizzing each other in a fairly deliberate and almost structured way but on the subject of their respetive cultural and behavioural pecadillos. The part I caught was when the chief was intrigued when the explorer gently blew away a fly that was stinging him on the back of the hand and said 'there is room enough for both of us in this world'. When quizzed by the chief over the seemingly bizarre behaviour, the explorer answered I can neither eat it, nor conquer it. Which I think lead to an interesting pause for thought for both.
Anyway, I just thought I would share given the immediate context of the Obama swat.
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Re: Obama swats fly, PETA responds

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:42 pm

Greetings,

I can kill flies easily.

I have to use mindfulness to turn it into a "catch and release" program instead.

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Re: Obama swats fly, PETA responds

Postby thornbush » Fri Jun 19, 2009 1:16 am

From President to pauper.....kamma distinguishes not.....
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Re: Obama swats fly, PETA responds

Postby jcsuperstar » Fri Jun 19, 2009 3:41 am

i never kill bugs.. i just blow then away or shu them away. i dont want yukky bug guts on me.
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Re: Obama swats fly, PETA responds

Postby Cittasanto » Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:14 am

retrofuturist wrote:Greetings,

I can kill flies easily.

I have to use mindfulness to turn it into a "catch and release" program instead.

Metta,
Retro. :)


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Re: Obama swats fly, PETA responds

Postby Guy » Fri Jun 19, 2009 1:43 pm

Metta to the fly, to Mr. Obama and his supporters. May the fly find a higher rebirth. May Mr Obama and his supporters learn compassion.
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Re: Obama swats fly, PETA responds

Postby Journey » Fri Jun 19, 2009 2:34 pm

TheDhamma wrote:Pres. Obama swatted a fly during an interview, killing it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rbUH_iVjYw

And then PETA responded. When you hear "PETA responded" you may tend to think "okay here comes another extremist outlandish statement" but they actually had a pretty good response this time:

He isn’t the Buddha, he’s a human being and human beings have a long way to go before they think before they act.”

:buddha2:


What does PETA know about Buddhism? They kill. They see euthanasia as "The Compassionate Option".

http://www.peta.org/MC/factsheet_display.asp?ID=39
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Re: Obama swats fly, PETA responds

Postby David N. Snyder » Fri Jun 19, 2009 7:33 pm

Journey wrote:What does PETA know about Buddhism? They kill. They see euthanasia as "The Compassionate Option".

http://www.peta.org/MC/factsheet_display.asp?ID=39


Hi Journey,

Dealing with unwanted domestic animals is a difficult issue. What can be done with them? Killing is never good, but if the shelters don't kill them, they will breed more unwanted animals, creating a bigger problem. Adoption helps only very little as there are too many animals and not enough homes for them to go to.

I suppose neutering them and releasing them might be a no-kill option, but then there is the cost and also the risks of surviving in the streets with cars, trucks, etc. Do you have any suggestions as to what could be done with all of the unwanted animals? I don't like the euthanasia option either, but wonder what other options there might be?
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Re: Obama swats fly, PETA responds

Postby Journey » Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:23 pm

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and hard is the human life we are born into.

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All love life, all fear death.

He is not noble who injures living beings.
He is called noble because he is harmless towards all living beings.

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here only a few possess insight.
Only a few, like birds escaping from the net, go to realms of bliss.

Follow then the shining ones,
the wise,
the awakened,
the loving,
for they know how to work and be patient.
Follow them as the moon follows the path of the stars.

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Re: Obama swats fly, PETA responds

Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Sat Jun 20, 2009 6:35 pm

Bugs are so creepy. It's even creepier to imagine smashing them on purpose. Lucky for me, I guess. Eww :toilet:
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Re: Obama swats fly, PETA responds

Postby BubbaBuddhist » Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:30 am

I heard they're going to have the fly stuffed and mounted for display with other Presidential trophies at the Smithsonian.

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Re: Obama swats fly, PETA responds

Postby Ben » Sun Jun 21, 2009 3:01 am

Hi Laura

Ngawang Drolma wrote:Bugs are so creepy. It's even creepier to imagine smashing them on purpose. Lucky for me, I guess. Eww :toilet:


You get over the creepiness of bugs pretty quickly if you live in Australia. Our flies, particularly our blow-flies, would put their light-weight north-american cousin to shame.

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Re: Obama swats fly, PETA responds

Postby Jechbi » Sun Jun 21, 2009 3:47 am

Wow. Wonder what it had for dinner.
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Re: Obama swats fly, PETA responds

Postby Ben » Sun Jun 21, 2009 5:04 am

Sheep anus

...On second thoughts, a photo of a blow-fly infested anus would not be appropriate here.
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Re: Obama swats fly, PETA responds

Postby Ngawang Drolma. » Sun Jun 21, 2009 5:22 pm

Eek, that photo of the blow fly gave me an awful shiver! :o
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Re: Obama swats fly, PETA responds

Postby Journey » Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:19 pm

It's not an object of dislike, or destruction, it's just a sentient being.
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Re: Obama swats fly, PETA responds

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:27 pm

so what was petas response?
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Re: Obama swats fly, PETA responds

Postby David N. Snyder » Sun Jun 21, 2009 10:43 pm

Manapa wrote:so what was petas response?


It's up there in the OP:

He isn’t the Buddha, he’s a human being and human beings have a long way to go before they think before they act.”

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