Ignorance
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Ignorance
How do you deal with ignorance if even the authority is ignorant?
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Whatever arises, just don't touch.
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Could you clarify this a bit, and maybe give a concrete example of what you mean?ignobleone wrote:How do you deal with ignorance if even the authority is ignorant?
Do you mean how to deal with the ignorance of those who are supposed to be "authorities"? If I believe them to be ignorant, then to that extent I don't treat them as an "authority". I just assume that they don't have anything to offer me at that moment, perhaps because I don't understand them.
I have enough trouble with my own ignorance, never mind the supposed ignorance of others.
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SN 35.80 wrote:"Lord, is there any one thing with whose abandoning in a monk ignorance is abandoned and clear knowing arises?"
"Yes monk, there is one thing with whose abandoning in a monk ignorance is abandoned and clear knowing arises."
"What is that one thing?"
"Ignorance, monk, is the one thing with whose abandoning in a monk ignorance is abandoned and clear knowing arises."
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If you don't treat them as an authority, you will get fined or jailed or etc. It's more to social issue than spiritual.Sam Vara wrote:Could you clarify this a bit, and maybe give a concrete example of what you mean?ignobleone wrote:How do you deal with ignorance if even the authority is ignorant?
Do you mean how to deal with the ignorance of those who are supposed to be "authorities"? If I believe them to be ignorant, then to that extent I don't treat them as an "authority". I just assume that they don't have anything to offer me at that moment, perhaps because I don't understand them.
I have enough trouble with my own ignorance, never mind the supposed ignorance of others.
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No issue if there is sufficient conviction in dhamma and sangha. Only if worldly concerns prevail there is an issue.ignobleone wrote:If you don't treat them as an authority, you will get fined or jailed or etc.
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sure, yet there are ways in which a community/society operate. These should be respected as failure to do so when it is not against the Dhamma leads to decline and ruin.ground wrote:No issue if there is sufficient conviction in dhamma and sangha. Only if worldly concerns prevail there is an issue.ignobleone wrote:If you don't treat them as an authority, you will get fined or jailed or etc.
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
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Ah, I see - this is about obeying the law?ignobleone wrote:If you don't treat them as an authority, you will get fined or jailed or etc. It's more to social issue than spiritual.Sam Vara wrote:Could you clarify this a bit, and maybe give a concrete example of what you mean?ignobleone wrote:How do you deal with ignorance if even the authority is ignorant?
Do you mean how to deal with the ignorance of those who are supposed to be "authorities"? If I believe them to be ignorant, then to that extent I don't treat them as an "authority". I just assume that they don't have anything to offer me at that moment, perhaps because I don't understand them.
I have enough trouble with my own ignorance, never mind the supposed ignorance of others.
I think Cittasanto's advice is good. Unless the law specifically forces one to break precepts, etc., then it makes a lot of sense to obey the law of the land. The same applies to commercial and institutional/organisational rules, and lots of benign social conventions. Failing to do as these prescribe can run you into a lot of trouble with other people and leads to conflict. Luckily, I live in a part of the world where I can "fit in" quite well and still practice the Dhamma.
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- Ignorance is contagious.
- Ignorance = blindness
- Even a Buddha cannot remove one's ignorance
- Ignorance = blindness
- Even a Buddha cannot remove one's ignorance
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If I am not mistaken this thread is metadiscussion, thinly disguised.
I think that is a reasonable interpretation but I am hoping that ignobleone can correct me if I am wrong.
I think that is a reasonable interpretation but I am hoping that ignobleone can correct me if I am wrong.
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Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
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- Cormac McCarthy, The Road
Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725
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e: [email protected]..
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No issue. Ways are just ways.Cittasanto wrote:sure, yet there are ways in which a community/society operate.ground wrote:No issue if there is sufficient conviction in dhamma and sangha. Only if worldly concerns prevail there is an issue.ignobleone wrote:If you don't treat them as an authority, you will get fined or jailed or etc.
This is the view of the fearful "I"/self which may be helpful for some, yes.Cittasanto wrote: These should be respected as failure to do so when it is not against the Dhamma leads to decline and ruin.
Actually acting in harmony with conditions is just this: Acting in harmony with conditions.