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Neurosurgeon's visit to heaven - proof of afterlife?

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Re: Neurosurgeon's visit to heaven - proof of afterlife?

Postby Mawkish1983 » Sat Oct 20, 2012 8:25 am

Also, the [lack of] understanding of the majority has no impact whatsoever on the scientific method. What I see here is the common, although fundamentally false, assertion that 'science is a system of belief'.

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Re: Neurosurgeon's visit to heaven - proof of afterlife?

Postby Mawkish1983 » Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:37 am

Evidence should be objective.

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Seeking the evidence might destroy the search.

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Re: Neurosurgeon's visit to heaven - proof of afterlife?

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Sat Oct 20, 2012 5:51 pm

Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: Neurosurgeon's visit to heaven - proof of afterlife?

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Re: Neurosurgeon's visit to heaven - proof of afterlife?

Postby Mawkish1983 » Sat Oct 20, 2012 10:53 pm

Going back to the neurosurgeon, he claims to remember these events that he believes he experienced whilst his brain was not functioning. I am certainly not a neurosurgeon and my biology knowledge is severely lacking in comparison to my knowledge of physics, but I had this thought: is it possible that his brain fabricated the memories of these strange events after his brain became active again? I have had curious dreams that seemed to run for hours when I've been asleep for no more than 30 minutes (an afternoon nap), and conversely I've had dreams that have seemed to be no more than a few minutes when I've been asleep for hours. It seems to me that perception of time during dreaming is not reliable. If we make an assumption that the neurosurgeon did not go from a brain-dead state to being conscious and awake instantaneously, that there would have been a transistion period in which he was unconscious but his brain was active, is it not possible that the hypoxia could have caused his brain to fabricate memories of events that he did not experience?

Just sharing some thoughts as I think them.

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Re: Neurosurgeon's visit to heaven - proof of afterlife?

Postby darvki » Sat Oct 20, 2012 11:51 pm

Then there's the fact that people's memories around very recent and specific events are often quite malleable, to say nothing of a memory that is so far back it's supposedly from before one's birth (or in a high stress situation where one's brain may have stopped functioning at one point).

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Re: Neurosurgeon's visit to heaven - proof of afterlife?

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:38 am

Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: Neurosurgeon's visit to heaven - proof of afterlife?

Postby Mawkish1983 » Sun Oct 21, 2012 1:00 am

The neurosurgeon never mentioned rebirth.

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