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Drugs and re-enlightenment?

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Re: Drugs and re-enlightenment?

Postby Moth » Sun Oct 21, 2012 12:41 am

Do not use cannabis. Cannabis causes unarisen unwholesome states to arise, and arisen unwholesome states to increase. I know this from experience. It is not the path. Practice meditation instead.
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Re: Drugs and re-enlightenment?

Postby Modus.Ponens » Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:19 pm

Even if the Buddha doesn't specificaly say cannabis, you're the one who's using the 5 precepts as a legal system, trying to find loopholes in the precepts. the spirit, as well as the letter of the precept is important to consider. and the spirit of the precept is to not intake substances that leed to heedlessness (and certainly cannabis is one of them)
He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Re: Drugs and re-enlightenment?

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Re: Drugs and re-enlightenment?

Postby CoreyNiles92 » Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:44 am

Cannabis is entirely different than alcohol in it's effect?

I wouldn't say entirely personally, I am not trying to attack you, but I'm a recovering drug addict, I know what it means to lie to meet your own means. I know the difference between happiness, and being caught in seeking it.

Do you not find that when you use Cannabis, that you are slightly impaired? That you might be more inclined to make choices you normally would not have while sober? Do you not feel gluttonous at times, seeking more than nourishment, unable to pay mind to the fact that over-indulgence in food should not bring happiness, though with Cannabis, temporarily it does?

Have you never fallen out of mindfulness more easily while high than while sober? Failing to notice things as they pass, and simply being on autopilot?

The total duration of a Cannabis high is 1-4 hours long. Impermanent, though the effects bring a desire to continue using it.

With impermanence in mind, consider the following effects.
The effects include:
mood lift, euphoria - You feel better, artificially after deliberately ingesting a drug.
increased giggling and laughing - You find humor in things you would normally not find so humorous, (*increased*)
relaxation, stress reduction - You find contentment and tranquility where you would normally not
creative, philosophical, abstract, or deep thinking : ideas flow more easily - Your imagination and mind dwell in a place where they could not go while sober. Not to say creativity doesn't exist without Cannabis, the highest forms exist without it, but you might only achieve such obscure creativity from such highs.
increased appreciation or awareness of music; deeper connection to music; increased emotional impact of music - You create a connection that will not last, and brings contentment and joy.
increased awareness of senses (taste, smell, touch, hearing, vision) - The benefits of sense become more mundane while sober, when they are increased to this point from a high.
change in experience of muscle fatigue; pleasant body feel; increase in body/mind connection - Your body/mind connection becomes a different experience, once again something you can experience, but not in the same sense without the drug.
pain relief (headaches, cramps) - Your avoidance of pain naturally builds when you are without it. Aversion from pain is part of the core of what we seek to dismantle, part of the process of leaving suffering behind.
reduced nausea, increased appetite (used medically for this) - You allow yourself to eat more in abundance than you normally would, unless medically advisable, at a point of starvation, or eating disorder. With no medical ailments, this is an inadvisable thing to bring upon yourself.
boring tasks or entertainment can become more interesting or funny - And if life isn't funny enough, you seek to create a new comedian. Does the creation not fade when you are no longer high?


I will not get too far into this, as those are only the positive effects listed by Erowid, that I have experienced myself and know to be true.

But I hope my meaning is there, and you understand where I am coming from.

I do believe the Buddha would consider marijuana an intoxicant, or at least I would hope so.

I'm not entirely sure where the hostility came from, but I believe it has something to do with the desire to continue using marijuana, and the fear that it may not be practical in becoming enlightened. I did not mean to provoke any sort of negative feelings with my comment, I apologize if I did. We are all friends here, I'm simply trying to help.

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Re: Drugs and re-enlightenment?

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Re: Drugs and re-enlightenment?

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Re: Drugs and re-enlightenment?

Postby Parth » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:46 pm

A sotapanna justifying drug addiction, really ?

Dear xtracorroupt, you need help ! By intoxicants, nobody means only alcohol but any intoxicant which somebody takes (solid / liquid / gaseous) This includes something that somebody makes out of ( in future ) metal / wood/ stardust / asteroids / any other conceivable compound or element which may or may not have been discovered as yet.

May you realise your mistake and learn from it, you can correct only when u realise a mistake.


Plus there is nothing like re- enlightenment, you don't fall out of enlightenment !

Metta

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Re: Drugs and re-enlightenment?

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Re: Drugs and re-enlightenment?

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Re: Drugs and re-enlightenment?

Postby MaybeMonk » Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:33 pm

Whether we have receptors or Cannabis is labelled "x,y,z" can be an interesting and a stimulating discussion.

But the path the Buddha taught, discernment is the guideline:
- 'Is this skillful?'
- 'Does this lead to wholesome qualities of the mind?'
- 'Is there Lust, Anger, Ignorance?'
- 'Is this the path the Buddha taught?'
- 'Does this path lead out of suffering?'

From my point of view whether legal or illegal, receptors or not, Cannabis has an effect on the mind.

The Buddha taught the path that is practiced here and now. If one is to fully engage in the Buddha's teachings we must try to develop our Mindfulness, Concentration, and Virtue without the use of such substances that produce such an effect on the mind.

Take what you will, leave the rest :candle:

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Re: Drugs and re-enlightenment?

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Re: Drugs and re-enlightenment?

Postby knighter » Thu Nov 15, 2012 1:37 am

Hello there

Have you heard of the hindi sadhu's maybe you should try that path there all up for smoking copious amounts of Ganja and finding enlightenment.
Be happy
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