What is the experience of a kalapa?

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What is the experience of a kalapa?

Postby fivebells » Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:10 pm

I'm going on a Goenka retreat, and I have noticed that Goenka talks a lot about kalapas, which he equates with subatomic particles. I would like to know, on an experiential/phenomenological level, what experience a kalapa refers to.

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Re: What is the experience of a kalapa?

Postby cooran » Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:13 pm

Hello fivebells,

A previous thread on this topic may be of interest:

viewtopic.php?f=19&t=6610

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Re: What is the experience of a kalapa?

Postby Bhikkhu Pesala » Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:20 pm

fivebells wrote:I would like to know, on an experiential/phenomenological level, what experience a kalapa refers to.

If a kalapa is something that can be experienced on an experiential level, then what could anyone possible say that could enable you to experience it? Any pre-conceptions regarding what might be experienced would be entirely counter-productive. Just observe, and pay carefully attention to whatever phenomena you happen to notice to observe them as they really are.

Its more important to know and understand kilesas than it is to understand kalapas.
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Re: What is the experience of a kalapa?

Postby fivebells » Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:15 am

Thanks to both of you.

Bhikku Pesala implies that understanding of kalapas is not necessary to the practice. That is what I was hoping. If I'm wrong about that, I would be grateful for any corrections.

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Re: What is the experience of a kalapa?

Postby Gena1480 » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:20 am

namita that has no footing
i saw a lightning that could not land a footing
thats why its moving all the time
moving because it cant land
no begging because it can't land
lightning that can not land at a point
always move
someone tell me otherwise
lightning namita

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Re: What is the experience of a kalapa?

Postby Paul Davy » Mon Oct 29, 2012 1:23 am

Greetings,

fivebells wrote:Bhikku Pesala implies that understanding of kalapas is not necessary to the practice. That is what I was hoping. If I'm wrong about that, I would be grateful for any corrections.

It is part of the mode of exposition in Goenka practice, but you can just stick to vedana (feeling/sensation) without interpreting the vedana as such.

Metta,
Retro. :)
What is the final conviction that comes when radical attention is razor-edge sharp? That the object of the mind is mind-made (manomaya). (Ven. Ñāṇananda)

Having understood name-and-form, which is a product of prolificity,
And which is the root of all malady within and without,
He is released from bondage to the root of all maladies,
That Such-like-one is truly known as 'the one who has understood'.
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Re: What is the experience of a kalapa?

Postby fivebells » Mon Oct 29, 2012 2:53 am

Thanks, Retro.

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Re: What is the experience of a kalapa?

Postby theY » Fri Nov 02, 2012 12:48 pm

Read this, a origin source of kalāpa meditation.

If your indriyas are strength, kalāpa meditation isn't important.

Else, visuddhimagga, and vimuttimagga have taught that meditation for develop first ñāṇa, nāmarūpaparicchedañāṇa.

So, if your meditation don't take a higher state, even though you develop it hard, you need to develop jhāna and kalapa meditation.
Lesson Relationship of Abhidhammatthasaṅgaha (10/31/2012)
http://tipitakanews.org/en/node/61


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