I'd like to take the pulse of the community with respect to Buddhist chaplaincy.
Has anyone felt a need for this, or seen it in action? Do monastics fill this role, at all? Does anyone have any views on professional credentialing for Buddhist chaplaincy? Is there a possible lay role here?
(related: http://www.buddhistchaplainsnetwork.org/WhatisaC.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
Chaplaincy
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- "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit, development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way that by protecting oneself one protects others.
"And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
- Sedaka Sutta [SN 47.19]
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Re: Chaplaincy
It is a fine idea, and a trained lay chaplain is better than no chaplain.daverupa wrote:I'd like to take the pulse of the community with respect to Buddhist chaplaincy.
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This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond. -- SN I, 38.
“Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” HPatDH p.723
Re: Chaplaincy
In the UK there is: http://angulimala.org.uk/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Chaplaincy
I think it's a great idea and have even looked into it myself although I believe it would be better if there were enough bhikkhus to fill the need. Unfortunately, at present, that simply isn't the case.
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Re: Chaplaincy
it is a good thing to do.
There are some lay chaplains in the UK but I do not know how organised they are outside of Angulimala the prison chaplaincy.
There are some lay chaplains in the UK but I do not know how organised they are outside of Angulimala the prison chaplaincy.
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
Re: Chaplaincy
Hi Dave,
There are a number of talks here:
http://www.audiodharma.org/talks/?search=chaplain" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.buddhistgeeks.com/2009/08/bg ... ist-youth/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
As for your questions, yes, I see it as a function of the Sangha. A Wat such as the one I attend fulfils that function for many people in the Thai community.
Ajah Chahs's students, such as Ajahn Brahm sometimes said a monk should be like a rubbish bin with no bottom. People come with their rubbish, chuck it in the bin, and he lets it go.
Mike
There are a number of talks here:
http://www.audiodharma.org/talks/?search=chaplain" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.buddhistgeeks.com/2009/08/bg ... ist-youth/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
As for your questions, yes, I see it as a function of the Sangha. A Wat such as the one I attend fulfils that function for many people in the Thai community.
Ajah Chahs's students, such as Ajahn Brahm sometimes said a monk should be like a rubbish bin with no bottom. People come with their rubbish, chuck it in the bin, and he lets it go.
Mike
Re: Chaplaincy
Hello all,
We have Lay Buddhist Chaplaincy programs in Australia – in hospitals and prisons.
Some examples:
http://www.buddhistcouncil.org/node/51" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.buddhistcouncil.org/node/52" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.buddhistcouncil.org/node/54" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and in schools.
http://www.buddhistcouncilofqueensland. ... /education" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
with metta
Chris
We have Lay Buddhist Chaplaincy programs in Australia – in hospitals and prisons.
Some examples:
http://www.buddhistcouncil.org/node/51" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.buddhistcouncil.org/node/52" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.buddhistcouncil.org/node/54" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and in schools.
http://www.buddhistcouncilofqueensland. ... /education" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
with metta
Chris
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Re: Chaplaincy
With respect to the United States, certification seems to go through BCCI.
As part of their prerequisites, there are 72 education credits required in theological/pastoral studies. A paper (Equivalency Issues for Buddhist Candidates for Board Certification Through the Board of Chaplaincy Certification Inc. - A White Paper) was put together to address a certain issue:
For the most part, the ordination requirement for chaplains seems to be filled from Zen ranks, with some Tibetan and other Mahayana schools filling in the bulk of the remainder; is there any provision in Theravada for providing an ordination status of some kind which is appropriate to chaplains?
As part of their prerequisites, there are 72 education credits required in theological/pastoral studies. A paper (Equivalency Issues for Buddhist Candidates for Board Certification Through the Board of Chaplaincy Certification Inc. - A White Paper) was put together to address a certain issue:
---Buddhist education and training varies widely between schools (denominations) of Buddhism, and even within schools, between lineages of teachers. (A lineage comprises teachers who can trace their tradition back to the historical Buddha, and who have developed distinctive practices and training styles.) Variations pertinent to the Commission on Certification range from an anti-intellectualism that favors monastic spiritual experience over academic study, to westernized degree programs.
These extremes in Buddhist educational traditions prove challenging for the Commission’s Theological Education Equivalency Committee. The purpose of the Theological Education Equivalency Committee is to
evaluate the education of candidates who have not earned 72 credits in theological and pastoral studies from a graduate school accredited by a member organization of the Council for Higher Education Accreditation
(CHEA).
The committee chair has asked six the Buddhist board certified chaplain (BCC) members of APC to recommend to the committee wise ways for evaluating Buddhist candidates who have not earned the required 72 credits. The six Buddhist chaplains represent the following Buddhist traditions: Rinzai Zen, Soto Zen, Jodo Shinshu (Pure Land), Tibetan and Theravada.
...
The seven responses demonstrated a great deal of consensus, with most affirming the need for the nine core graduate theological subjects, affirming the need for an undergraduate bachelor’s degree, and minimizing the educational value of meditation and chanting. While these chaplains did not always agree with each other or with my recommendations, they graciously and kindly expressed their reasoning from their understanding and historical perspectives. Two of the Buddhist BCCs have agreed to join the Theological Education Equivalency Committee as regular reviewers and “resident subject-matter experts” for consultation when any member of the Committee is reviewing an application from a Buddhist candidate.
For the most part, the ordination requirement for chaplains seems to be filled from Zen ranks, with some Tibetan and other Mahayana schools filling in the bulk of the remainder; is there any provision in Theravada for providing an ordination status of some kind which is appropriate to chaplains?
- "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit, development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way that by protecting oneself one protects others.
"And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
- Sedaka Sutta [SN 47.19]
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Hi Dave there are several forms of precepts which may surfice such as one I recently started a thread on.daverupa wrote: For the most part, the ordination requirement for chaplains seems to be filled from Zen ranks, with some Tibetan and other Mahayana schools filling in the bulk of the remainder; is there any provision in Theravada for providing an ordination status of some kind which is appropriate to chaplains?
but an ordination???
there are the Dhammacari ceramonies some temples preform for lay teachers, but I don't know if it would qualify or be recognised as an ordination as it isn't a usual thing everywhere.
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
Re: Chaplaincy
It's quite a grey area in Buddhism - these things are much clearer within a Xian hierarchy - but the concern is based on the following requirements for those wishing to become board certified chaplains:Cittasanto wrote:Hi Dave there are several forms of precepts which may surfice such as one I recently started a thread on.
but an ordination???
1. So, one problem: what might fulfill this "ecclesiastical endorsement" with respect to Theravada?A person... meeting all eligibility requirements including a bachelor’s degree, 72-semester-hour graduate theological degree from an accredited school, four units of clinical pastoral education (CPE), ordination or commissioning to function in a ministry of pastoral care, and ecclesiastical endorsement by a recognized faith group, is recommended by a Certification Committee, approved by the Commission on Certification, and ratified by the Board of Chaplaincy Certification Inc. Board of Directors.
2. Another: what would a 'pastoral commission' look like with respect to Theravada?
I'm unaware of an answer to either of these questions...
- "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit, development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way that by protecting oneself one protects others.
"And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
- Sedaka Sutta [SN 47.19]
Re: Chaplaincy
Hi Dave,
I think you make a good point. The only qualification that has any real official status in Theravada along the lines of:
"ordination or commissioning to function in a ministry of pastoral care"
is being a monk or nun. And the precepts for a monk/nun preclude work...
So lay people would have to argue that they are fulfilling this role on an individual basis, which is likely to be a lot tougher than being able to say that they are lay clergy, etc...
Mike
I think you make a good point. The only qualification that has any real official status in Theravada along the lines of:
"ordination or commissioning to function in a ministry of pastoral care"
is being a monk or nun. And the precepts for a monk/nun preclude work...
So lay people would have to argue that they are fulfilling this role on an individual basis, which is likely to be a lot tougher than being able to say that they are lay clergy, etc...
Mike
Re: Chaplaincy
Indeed; as we can see here, Mahayana is well-represented; another list offers an interesting cross-section of some current chaplains and their backgrounds... but, again with the Mahayana!mikenz66 wrote:So lay people would have to argue that they are fulfilling this role on an individual basis
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A few possible Theravada choices are beginning to emerge:
The Buddhist Sangha Council of Southern California (?)
Sati Center for Buddhist Studies
Spirit Rock (?)
(& there's always the Interfaith Chaplain route, but that's not ideal.)
- "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit, development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way that by protecting oneself one protects others.
"And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
- Sedaka Sutta [SN 47.19]
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it sounds like a group (probably including monastics) has recognised and given you authority to act in that roll.daverupa wrote:It's quite a grey area in Buddhism - these things are much clearer within a Xian hierarchy - but the concern is based on the following requirements for those wishing to become board certified chaplains:Cittasanto wrote:Hi Dave there are several forms of precepts which may surfice such as one I recently started a thread on.
but an ordination???
1. So, one problem: what might fulfill this "ecclesiastical endorsement" with respect to Theravada?A person... meeting all eligibility requirements including a bachelor’s degree, 72-semester-hour graduate theological degree from an accredited school, four units of clinical pastoral education (CPE), ordination or commissioning to function in a ministry of pastoral care, and ecclesiastical endorsement by a recognized faith group, is recommended by a Certification Committee, approved by the Commission on Certification, and ratified by the Board of Chaplaincy Certification Inc. Board of Directors.
2. Another: what would a 'pastoral commission' look like with respect to Theravada?
I'm unaware of an answer to either of these questions...
it maybe an idea to get in touvh with Abhiyagiri or related monastery as if I remember correctly they have some lay outreach training type programs? or am I thinking of spirit rock?
I know there was an effort to form a spiritual training there, and I am sure spirit rock have a similar thing on the go regarding chaplaincy/
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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.
John Stuart Mill
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Re: Chaplaincy
I may have the spirit of the OP's question wrong, but I'm listening to an audio series right now by Kusala Bhikshu (Urbandharma.org) and he's actually a chaplain for a police department in California (he's also an ordained monk as well).
Again, not sure if that's where the OP wanted to go with their question......
Again, not sure if that's where the OP wanted to go with their question......
Re: Chaplaincy
Yes, examples of extant chaplains are helpful, as contacting them can provide all sorts of information. Alas, Kusala Bhikshu is within the Zen tradition. (Mahayana... doh!)tattoogunman wrote:I may have the spirit of the OP's question wrong, but I'm listening to an audio series right now by Kusala Bhikshu (Urbandharma.org) and he's actually a chaplain for a police department in California (he's also an ordained monk as well).
Again, not sure if that's where the OP wanted to go with their question......
The main issue I had in mind was examining (whether there was any) specifically Theravada support for chaplaincy, and whether the laity had any role to play there (asking monks to be chaplains, being chaplains themselves, or perhaps no Theravadans find themselves asking for chaplains?), or if Interfaith Chaplaincy was the better route at present/for the foreseeable future.
- "And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting oneself one protects others? By the pursuit, development, and cultivation of the four establishments of mindfulness. It is in such a way that by protecting oneself one protects others.
"And how is it, bhikkhus, that by protecting others one protects oneself? By patience, harmlessness, goodwill, and sympathy. It is in such a way that by protecting others one protects oneself.
- Sedaka Sutta [SN 47.19]