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Transcendent Insight

General discussion of issues related to Theravada Meditation, e.g. meditation postures, developing a regular sitting practice, skillfully relating to difficulties and hindrances, etc.
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Transcendent Insight

Postby smokey » Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:49 pm

Lhag-thong (Tibetan, to see more) or transcendent insight is beyond conceptualised thoughts. It is still a thought at a subtle single pointed level engaged at the sametime in investigative manner.
One can gain knowledge and better understanding of the reality during such meditation. Well, one could gain extremely subtle pliancy of mind-body level that would have its own sensational impact but are supposed to be truly tranquil and balanced.
Lhag-thong is a high level practice and it cannot be achieved with meditation alone, however it is achieved in mediation. It requires years of study under a highly qualified teacher with much reading and practice to achieve such an insight.
Lhag-thong literally means to see "more", to see "beyond", "extraordinary", "highest", so, not to see just what a mass of mankind sees which live in ignorance, but to see beyond the limits which restrain a vision of developed minds, to see "with a third eye of Knowledge", which followers of tantric practices center on the forehead of their symbolic gods. Like any other skills, Lhag-thong can be nurtured and improved.
Based on Lhag-Thong one can contemplate Nirvāṇa, Parinirvāṇa, what is between existence and non-existence, Śūnyatā, Pratītyasamutpāda, law which congregates causes and effects, understanding Karma and Vipāka etc. Ultimately Lhag-thong is a practice for realising Śūnyatā which creates a true enlightenment.

I have a question. Well, on Tibetan transcendent insight is called Lhag-thong and Tibetan Buddhism is based upon two vehicles: Mahāyāna and Vajrayāna. So my question is: How is transcendent insight called in Theravāda tradition, on Pali? (note that Lhag-thong on Tibetan stands for both transcendent insight and Vipassana).

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Re: Transcendent Insight

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Re: Transcendent Insight

Postby retrofuturist » Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:58 pm

Greetings Smokey,

See...

Vipassana Nanas
http://www.triplegem.plus.com/vpsnana.htm

Metta,
Retro. :)
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Re: Transcendent Insight

Postby smokey » Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:23 pm

Thank you for answering my question. But I think that the answers are incorrect because Vipassana is just insight meditation, while transcendent insight is something higher than just plain insight. With Vipassana one can gain insight and realize The Three Marks of Existence, but with Vipassana one cannot realize Sunyata or emptiness and thus cannot become enlightened, only with transcendent insight can one realize emptiness.

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Re: Transcendent Insight

Postby retrofuturist » Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:26 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Transcendent Insight

Postby vitellius » Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:43 am

In fact Pali word "vipassana" was translated in Sanskrit as "vipasyana" which in line was translated into Tibetan as "lhag thong".

Some practices of developing/attaining vipassana and lhatong are similar and some differ.

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Re: Transcendent Insight

Postby rowyourboat » Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:38 am

I agree with the answers here. However I am interested in how one goes about doing Lag Thong. If anyone has any insight into the matter (ok pun intended) please let me know. I am always on the lookout for different insight/vipassana methods!
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Re: Transcendent Insight

Postby smokey » Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:28 am

Well, on Facebook I met a Rinpoche who said that he has achieved Lhag-Thong and he also said that it is not easy.

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Re: Transcendent Insight

Postby smokey » Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:14 pm

Thank you all for the answers.


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