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Why I am not a Buddhist

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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Why I am not a Buddhist

Postby pilgrim » Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:57 pm

This very much describes why youths and the educated are leaving Buddhism in many parts of Asia, and partly why Theravada is increasingly appreciated.
http://warforscience.wordpress.com/2010 ... -buddhist/

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Re: Why I am not a Buddhist

Postby BubbaBuddhist » Sat Nov 03, 2012 2:30 pm

How kamma is described seems more in line with the vedas than with the suttas. Interesting.

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Re: Why I am not a Buddhist

Postby daverupa » Sat Nov 03, 2012 3:26 pm

The article didn't really talk about the Dhamma, did it? Just metaphysics and Malaysian pedagogical habits.

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Re: Why I am not a Buddhist

Postby DAWN » Sat Nov 03, 2012 3:49 pm

He left buddhism because he was to much attached to buddhism. Buddhism, not Dhamma. His practice was to much conditioned by some fantasy about an ideal buddhist. So when condition is broken, the practice is gone.

It's a good example of denger in attachement.
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Re: Why I am not a Buddhist

Postby BubbaBuddhist » Sat Nov 03, 2012 3:56 pm

Yes, he quit because of Buddhists, not because of Buddhism. :tongue: That's kind of like resigning from the human race because people suck.

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Re: Why I am not a Buddhist

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Sat Nov 03, 2012 4:30 pm

Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: Why I am not a Buddhist

Postby Kim OHara » Sat Nov 03, 2012 11:07 pm

Getting back to the topic ...
I sympathise with the blogger. If the only Buddhism I knew was the kind he describes, I would probably leave too, and for similar reasons.
And I don't think he exaggerates the problems, or not much. I don't know about Malaysia but I have seen and read about similar lay practices in SE Asia and China (look at the Kuan Yin thread here, for instance).
His decision parallels the way Westerners have drifted away from Christianity as science has undermined more and more of its doctrine.
Sincere, thoughtful Christians have been trying to work out a way for science and Christianity to co-exist ever since The Origin of Species was published. Buddhists are now working on the same issues.

:namaste:
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Re: Why I am not a Buddhist

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Re: Why I am not a Buddhist

Postby Digity » Sun Nov 04, 2012 5:43 am

I'm not a fan of Mahayana Buddism.

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Re: Why I am not a Buddhist

Postby James the Giant » Sun Nov 04, 2012 5:50 am

Then,
saturated with joy,
you will put an end to suffering and stress.

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Re: Why I am not a Buddhist

Postby Ben » Sun Nov 04, 2012 6:26 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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Re: Why I am not a Buddhist

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Re: Why I am not a Buddhist

Postby m0rl0ck » Sun Nov 04, 2012 7:19 am

All you have to do to ruin a good idea is add a little religion.
I can see how it might be tough to separate the baby from the bathwater. Westerners, i think have it easier in that respect because its often taught to us first more as philosophy than religion.
“The truth knocks on the door and you say, "Go away, I'm looking for the truth," and so it goes away. Puzzling.” ― Robert M. Pirsig

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Re: Why I am not a Buddhist

Postby Ben » Sun Nov 04, 2012 7:52 am

Religion isn't always the bad guy.
“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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e: [email protected]..

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Re: Why I am not a Buddhist

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Re: Why I am not a Buddhist

Postby santa100 » Sun Nov 04, 2012 5:58 pm

pray/not pray, believe/not believe, Mahayana/Theravada, etc. at the end of the day, if one's practice helps them upholding the silas of not killing, stealing, sexual misconduct, lying, and indulgence, or if it helps one progressing further on the 8NP, then that's good practice. One word of advice I'd like to offer to that young fellow in the blog is to have some patience and a more thorough observation beyond the superficial rituals and forms of practice. If the praying/ritual part does make one become a filial son, a faithful husband, a responsible father, or a loyal friend, then isn't it a bit hasty (maybe even unfortunate) for those youths and educated to abandon Buddhism, be it Theravada or Mahayana?

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Re: Why I am not a Buddhist

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Re: Why I am not a Buddhist

Postby DAWN » Sun Nov 04, 2012 6:08 pm

Sabbe dhamma anatta
We are not concurents...

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Re: Why I am not a Buddhist

Postby DAWN » Sun Nov 04, 2012 6:15 pm

Sabbe dhamma anatta
We are not concurents...

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Re: Why I am not a Buddhist

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