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The erosion of America's freedoms - its all our fault!

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Re: The erosion of America's freedoms - its all our fault!

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:03 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: The erosion of America's freedoms - its all our fault!

Postby Ben » Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:25 am

Thanks Cittasanto,

That is John Safran, a young jewish boy from Melbourne who had his own tv program: John Safran v God.
He is a very smart and funny guy.

I figure the LDS and JH people must get a royal shellacking as they go door-to-door. I don't want to add to their misery.
kind regards,

Ben
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Re: The erosion of America's freedoms - its all our fault!

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Re: The erosion of America's freedoms - its all our fault!

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Nov 05, 2012 10:17 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: The erosion of America's freedoms - its all our fault!

Postby Yana » Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:58 am

Life is preparing for Death

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Re: The erosion of America's freedoms - its all our fault!

Postby Monkey Mind » Mon Nov 05, 2012 6:44 pm

I just turned in my ballot. Needless to say, I voted for the "other guy".

Somewhere on my hard drive, I have pictures of President Obama & Secretary of State Clinton bowing respectfully to a Buddha statue, so I guess it it true that Buddhism really is undermining the core values here in the US. :tongue:

As to the Mormons... I was nice to them once, now they drop off their literature at my workplace monthly. I am undecided about showing up at their temple to drop off Buddhist literature.
"As I am, so are others;
as others are, so am I."
Having thus identified self and others,
harm no one nor have them harmed.

Sutta Nipāta 3.710

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Re: The erosion of America's freedoms - its all our fault!

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:45 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: The erosion of America's freedoms - its all our fault!

Postby Buckwheat » Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:12 pm

Stupid is as stupid does... I turned in my ballot today... apparently I voted for a muslim, atheist, christian, black, white, fascist, communist, racist, communicator that doesn't communicate well, healthcare with a death panel, and current president who hates America all with one tick of a box.

Let's remember that the "other guys" are human first and foremost. Let us have compassion for all.
Sotthī hontu nirantaraṃ - May you forever be well.

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Re: The erosion of America's freedoms - its all our fault!

Postby Sambojjhanga » Mon Nov 05, 2012 11:50 pm

I do believe that, as TiltBillings said, that many Repbulicans/right-wing types absolutely dislike "people of color" and that this is what is behind this vehement hatred of Obama by the right. Personally, I'm disgusted by Obama's cow-towing to Wallstreet and the Corporatacracy, so I'm not really a huge Obama fan (though I did vote for him.) He's disappointed me a lot. I realize that much of what he ran into was a Repbulican wall in the Congress, but never-the-less, he could've done more. Should've done more.

Having said that, I am voting for him again as I believe that MItt Romney would be the worse president this country has ever seen (and that's saying a lot having lived through both Reagan and Bush.)
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Re: The erosion of America's freedoms - its all our fault!

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:23 am

Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: The erosion of America's freedoms - its all our fault!

Postby Monkey Mind » Tue Nov 06, 2012 5:26 am

"As I am, so are others;
as others are, so am I."
Having thus identified self and others,
harm no one nor have them harmed.

Sutta Nipāta 3.710

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Re: The erosion of America's freedoms - its all our fault!

Postby Monkey Mind » Tue Nov 06, 2012 5:42 am

Warning- Spoiler Alert!
I heard from a reliable but schizophrenic psychic that this person will be president in 2017:
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She will save the world from total environmental disaster in 2017, but the world is ultimately destroyed from that same environmental disaster in 2018.
"As I am, so are others;
as others are, so am I."
Having thus identified self and others,
harm no one nor have them harmed.

Sutta Nipāta 3.710

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Re: The erosion of America's freedoms - its all our fault!

Postby Dan74 » Tue Nov 06, 2012 6:14 am

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