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Re: Congratulations to Americans

Postby Kim OHara » Thu Nov 08, 2012 6:15 am

cooran wrote:And for those Americans who said they would move to Australia if Obama was re-elected .... there is something you should know:

Australia has Universal Health Care,
Compulsory Voting,
No Guns,
No Death Penalty,
Pro-choice when it comes to Contraception,
Openly Gay Politicians and Judges,
Evolution is Taught in all Schools,
And our Female Prime Minister is an Unmarried Atheist.

Be sure to Declare Your Pitchforks at Tullamarine Airport
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I have just found this on http://www.abc.net.au/technology/articles/2012/11/08/3628527.htm. Maybe that's where you found it, too?
But other stuff there deserves an airing too:
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... and "Obama Tweeted the most Retweeted Tweet ever (https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/266031293945503744) - knocking Justin Bieber off his perch and thereby restoring some faith in humanity."
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Re: Congratulations to Americans

Postby robertk » Thu Nov 08, 2012 6:24 am

cooran wrote:And for those Americans who said they would move to Australia if Obama was re-elected .... there is something you should know:


Pro-choice when it comes to Contraception,


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Are there any politicians in Australia or USA who against choice in contraception. I know in the Philippines there is the Catholic lobby against using contraceptives but I think not an issue in other countries.
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Re: Congratulations to Americans

Postby cooran » Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:53 am

Hello Rob,

Access to Birth Control Sparks US Political Controversy
‘’Birth control is also an issue in the U.S. presidential race. Republican hopeful Rick Santorum speaks out repeatedly against birth control.
"Many in the Christian faith have said, 'Well, that's okay; contraception is okay.'

It is not okay. It is a license to do things in the sexual realm that are counter to how things are supposed to be," Santorum said.’’
http://www.voanews.com/content/access-t ... 75045.html

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Re: Congratulations to Americans

Postby Kim OHara » Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:43 pm

robertk wrote:
cooran wrote:And for those Americans who said they would move to Australia if Obama was re-elected .... there is something you should know:


Pro-choice when it comes to Contraception,


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Are there any politicians in Australia or USA who against choice in contraception. I know in the Philippines there is the Catholic lobby against using contraceptives but I think not an issue in other countries.

It's still very much a live issue in other countries, especially the majority-Cathlic countries - see http://www.latitudenews.com/story/mixed-messages-from-the-catholic-church-on-contraception/. It has been an issue in Muslim countries, too, but I don't know details.

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Re: Congratulations to Americans

Postby Kim OHara » Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:55 pm

Charles Darwin gets 4,000 votes in US election
A Georgia congressman who attacked the theory of evolution found himself with an unlikely opponent in Tuesday's US election, when 4,000 voters in one county cast write-in ballots for the 19th century father of evolution, British naturalist Charles Darwin.
In a September 27 speech, Paul Broun, a physician and member of the US House of Representatives Science, Space and Technology Committee, called evolution and the Big Bang Theory, "lies straight from the pit of hell".
Since Mr Broun, a Republican, had no opposition in the general election, a University of Georgia plant biology professor, Jim Leebens-Mack, and others started a write-in campaign for Darwin, the father of the theory of evolution.

More: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-10/charles-darwin-gets-4000-votes-in-us-election/4364602

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Re: Congratulations to Americans

Postby BubbaBuddhist » Sat Nov 10, 2012 1:05 pm

What the article didn't mention was that William Paley received 10,000 write in votes from Republicans. :tongue:

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Re: Congratulations to Americans

Postby Dhammanando » Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:24 am

Kim O'Hara wrote:It's still very much a live issue in other countries, especially the majority-Cathlic countries.


Ireland seems until recently to have been a particularly extreme case:

"On 22 May 1971 a group of Irish feminists including Mary Kenny travelled to Belfast by rail and made their return to Dublin laden with contraceptive devices into a statement on the illogicality of the law. This provoked criticism from the Roman Catholic Church in Ireland; Thomas Ryan, Bishop of Clonfert, said that "... never before, and certainly not since penal times was the Catholic heritage of Ireland subjected to so many insidious onslaughts on the pretext of conscience, civil rights and women's liberation.""

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contraception_in_the_Republic_of_Ireland

As the old joke went: "The clever Irish have found a way around their country's condom ban. They smuggle them across the border hidden inside bags of heroin."
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Re: Congratulations to Americans

Postby Sambojjhanga » Sun Nov 11, 2012 12:10 pm

Dhammanando wrote:
As the old joke went: "The clever Irish have found a way around their country's condom ban. They smuggle them across the border hidden inside bags of heroin."


Thanks a lot, Bhikkhu, I nearly sprayed my morning coffee all over me laptop screen...now THAT is funny!

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Re: Congratulations to Americans

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Nov 11, 2012 6:01 pm

I was just scanning through my facebook feed and discovered there was a petition by two states to leave the Union! but upon looking further there are quite a few states on the petition pages of the whitehouse.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions
I counted 17 states?
This offering maybe right, or wrong, but it is one, the other, both, or neither!
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Re: Congratulations to Americans

Postby marc108 » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:20 pm

Cittasanto wrote:I was just scanning through my facebook feed and discovered there was a petition by two states to leave the Union! but upon looking further there are quite a few states on the petition pages of the whitehouse.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions
I counted 17 states?


these arent official state petitions. they are online petitions started by fringe groups of people... the same groups that would burn gays and Buddhists at the stake lol. left overs from the old days. no continental American state will ever want to (or be allowed) to succeed.
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Re: Congratulations to Americans

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Nov 11, 2012 7:34 pm

marc108 wrote:
Cittasanto wrote:I was just scanning through my facebook feed and discovered there was a petition by two states to leave the Union! but upon looking further there are quite a few states on the petition pages of the whitehouse.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions
I counted 17 states?


these arent official state petitions. they are online petitions started by fringe groups of people... the same groups that would burn gays and Buddhists at the stake lol. left overs from the old days. no continental American state will ever want to (or be allowed) to succeed.

so the white house website has petitions which are not official petitions.
This offering maybe right, or wrong, but it is one, the other, both, or neither!
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Re: Congratulations to Americans

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Sun Nov 11, 2012 11:38 pm

Cittasanto wrote:so the white house website has petitions which are not official petitions.

Yeah, you can make a petition on the site, not every petition on the website is officially sanctioned.
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Re: Congratulations to Americans

Postby fig tree » Mon Nov 12, 2012 4:43 am

Cittasanto wrote:I was just scanning through my facebook feed and discovered there was a petition by two states to leave the Union! but upon looking further there are quite a few states on the petition pages of the whitehouse.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions
I counted 17 states?

The idea, unsupported in constitutional law, that states have the right to secede (as a guard against a "tyrannical federal government") has had a long history of popularity especially in the South. I suppose it makes them feel better about their ancestors having decided to secede. The idea that the federal government under Obama has become tyrannical is one of those crackpot ideas that Republicans have played around with in the past few years, like the idea that he isn't actually American.

In 2009 a poll indicated 18% of Texans supported secession of Texas. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Secession_Movement

A lot of us are pretty happy with this last election. If the people who voted against Obama because they suspect his birth certificate was forged (and also the birth announcement in the local Hawaiian newspaper...), and the people who voted against Romney because they don't think Mormons are Christian enough had all stayed home, however, I think it'd have been better still. Imagine, a rational election! :jumping:

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Re: Congratulations to Americans

Postby seeker242 » Mon Nov 12, 2012 1:18 pm

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Re: Congratulations to Americans

Postby Kim OHara » Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:25 pm

seeker242 wrote:Image

:shrug:

Yep, there's still plenty of political work for Americans to do.
I think Obama knows it, too, with the financial guillotine hanging over his head while he tries to speed up the post-Sandy recovery.

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Re: Congratulations to Americans

Postby corrine » Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:38 pm

No politician is perfect. Obama is doing the best he can under the circumstances, I believe. I am personally very pleased, and absolutely shocked, that he won re-election.
I was worried sick about the rights of so many had Romney won the election and appointed ultra conservative justices to the Supreme Court. We may not have moved ahead much, but at least we did not fall back into the dark ages. As a woman who thought the feminist battles were over and done with - who lived through the sixties and marched for basic rights, I was appalled at what conservative politicians were saying. Why can we not, as human beings, simply wish that all other human beings share in the freedom that we experience. Why do we always begrudge the next group their rights?

At one time I was a member of a minority party. But I realized a long time ago that in order not to elect the worst of the bunch, compromise is sometimes necessary. Even when unpalatable. Yes, I am greener and more liberal than the democrats, but I fear the republicans enough to throw in my lot with someone who can actually win an election. I know that sounds cynical, and perhaps it is, but I am, in my old age, a realist. I see what is. Not what I want to be. Maybe in some beautiful, perfect future, good will always win. But I am not living in that perfect place. I am living in the real world and I will make the compromises necessary to help keep the worst of the worst, out of power.

Until the majority of people really want to live in a society of equality, where no one is homeless or hungry or afraid, we will have to do what we can to keep the beast at bay. In my case that means volunteering all the time possible and giving what little I can to actually feed the hungry and it also means compromising to get the an Obama elected. Does anyone realistically think that a green party candidate will ever be elected to high office? I thought so when I was young and idealistic. No more. Now I do what I can personally and choose electable candidates who are at least humane in some respects. I do not care what they are 'really' like. I care what their agendas are and what their platforms say and I can tell you for sure that the republican platform was terrifying.

So, all in all, I am happy with the election results. And, of course I am happy about the election of so many women. This is another battle that has had to be fought for far too long. And I am happy that California, my home state, has chosen to tax itself for the betterment of all. This is a good thing. Yes, we lost a lot of the battles, but we did not lose the war. Yet.

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Re: Congratulations to Americans

Postby Kim OHara » Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:17 pm

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Hang in there and keep fighting, Corrine!

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