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the great vegetarian debate

Exploring Theravāda's connections to other paths. What can we learn from other traditions, religions and philosophies?
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Re: Meat eating

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Re: Meat eating

Postby Ben » Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:11 am

Hi Sekha,

i've actually given this issue some considerable thought and with respect I think you are drawing a long bow.
if the meat was killed specifically for the particular purchaser who then buys the meat, or if the purchaser entices the butcher to kill an animal to satisfy a desire for meat - then it would be a breach of the first precept. The fact that butchers and farmers are making commercial decisions based on projected consumer behaviour is something that is going on in the heads of the butchers and farmers. The purchase of meat that was provided for not any one in particular from a supermarket is not meat that can be categorically said to be 'seen' or 'heard' by a consumer.
Consider this also - supermarkets regularly under or over order perishable products, the excess which end up in the dumpster.
kind regards,

Ben
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Re: Meat eating

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Re: Meat eating

Postby Mr Man » Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:56 am

To imagine the the eating of meat is not inextricably interlinked with the killing of animals is denial on the most giant of scales.

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Re: Meat eating

Postby DAWN » Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:18 am

The question is not about if Buddha was or not accept it, the question is if YOU accept any killing or slavery.
Sabbe dhamma anatta
We are not concurents...

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Re: Meat eating

Postby equilibrium » Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:53 am

We all have meat on our own body.....why don't we cut our own meat and eat it?.....why should it come from an animal?.....supermarkets are an illusion.....the demand is the self.....the problem is the self.

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Re: Meat eating

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Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta


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Re: Meat eating

Postby DAWN » Fri Nov 16, 2012 6:09 pm

Thanks you Dear LonesomeYogurt :namaste:
Hope you will not be punish by Moderation Team.

Only that i want to say, it's just that i prefere have no any fruition for my self, but let living beings live.
What is that fruition that is talking about, when this fruition will be full of blood?

The only Noble Fruit is freedom. Freedom from body attachement and taste attachement too.

Metta for all living beings who suffer because of egoism and ignorance. For all who seek for freedom by slavering others. :meditate:
I wish you all get free. Because it's horrible what ignorance can do... It's realy horrible.
Sabbe dhamma anatta
We are not concurents...

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Re: Meat eating

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He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: Meat eating

Postby LonesomeYogurt » Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:10 am

Gain and loss, status and disgrace,
censure and praise, pleasure and pain:
these conditions among human beings are inconstant,
impermanent, subject to change.

Knowing this, the wise person, mindful,
ponders these changing conditions.
Desirable things don’t charm the mind,
undesirable ones bring no resistance.

His welcoming and rebelling are scattered,
gone to their end,
do not exist.
- Lokavipatti Sutta



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