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Does Satipatthana meditation means understanding Paramatha

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Does Satipatthana meditation means understanding Paramatha

Postby SarathW » Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:57 am

The way I undestand Satipatthana meditaion means understanding Four Ultimate Realitis.

Four Ultimate Realities (Paramattha Dhammaa) are:

1)Consciousness (Citta)
2)The mental factors (Cetasika) i.e Feeling or sensation (Vedana) and Perception (Sanna) which are arise as a result of consciousness (samkhara)
3)Material form (Ruppa) –This includes body, sex and seat of consciousness. The body-decade is composed of the Four Primary Elements –Extension, cohesion, heat, motion (Pathavi, apo, tejo, vayo)
4)Nirvana (Nibbaana) – Nirvana is an unconditioned reality. All other three are conditioned realities.

I appreciate your input.
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Re: Does Satipatthana meditation means understanding Paramatha

Postby Sekha » Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:18 am

Paramattha is an abhidhamma term that is found only in KN and at AN 10.29.

In other words, it is not Buddha Vacana, and it stems from ditthupadana, attachment to views.

My best suggestion is: drop intellectual inquiry. Go to your cushion and experience yourself satipatthana meditation. This is the only appropriate way to understand it.
Where knowledge ends, religion begins. - B. Disraeli

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Re: Does Satipatthana meditation means understanding Paramatha

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Nov 16, 2012 2:56 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

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Re: Does Satipatthana meditation means understanding Paramatha

Postby mikenz66 » Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:13 am

Hi Sarath,

The abhidhamma classifications (which are essentially a more detailed version of the sutta classifications such as aggregates) are not necessary. However, since that's the language that a number of modern meditation masters use (and the language explaining the ancient wisdom collected by the commentators, in the Visuddhimagga, for example) they can be extremely helpful in understanding instructions from some books and teachers.

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Re: Does Satipatthana meditation means understanding Paramatha

Postby Ben » Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:23 am

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
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in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
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Re: Does Satipatthana meditation means understanding Paramatha

Postby SarathW » Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:25 am

Thanks all.
So, can I rephrase the question to "Does Satipatthana meditaion means undestading five aggregates?" I took Niravana aspect out of my previous question.
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Re: Does Satipatthana meditation means understanding Paramatha

Postby retrofuturist » Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:28 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

"The uprooting of identity is seen by the noble ones as pleasurable; but this contradicts what the whole world sees." (Snp 3.12)

"To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead" - Thomas Paine

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Re: Does Satipatthana meditation means understanding Paramatha

Postby Sekha » Fri Nov 16, 2012 7:32 am

Where knowledge ends, religion begins. - B. Disraeli

http://www.buddha-vacana.org

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Re: Does Satipatthana meditation means understanding Paramatha

Postby Sambojjhanga » Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:45 pm

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Re: Does Satipatthana meditation means understanding Paramatha

Postby DAWN » Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:19 pm

Sekha are reason, right advice !

But logicaly, all informations comes from 5 senses, so satipatthana is based on it, and so study it.
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Re: Does Satipatthana meditation means understanding Paramatha

Postby DAWN » Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:38 pm

Oh yes! I'am sorry.

But we can say 5 too, because actualy taste is a nose faculty, and langugue can feel only selt paper and sugar. If we close the nose and get some vanilla in the mounth, there is no taste. :?

But there is 6 sense of corse :bow:
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