tiltbillings wrote: DAWN wrote:
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If our discussion not goes under this rules, and we can continue, i will continue this interesting discussion. But i have to be sure.
Are you trying to convert anyone to your point of view? If not, then don't worry about it.
So to reply if Buddha teach about it, i will quote this words.This being is bound to samsara, kamma is his means for going beyond.
SN I, 38.
"Going beyond" is the most important, the door that you will take to go beyond is, in my opinion, secondery, tool, not aim.
Actualy everybody have his own mind door, his own mind knot, so The Noble Eightfold Path is the path to this door, is the path to this knot. On this path, if we practice well, we will meet all necessery tools and knowledges to open the door, to disentangle the knot. "Kamma is his means for going beyond"
All vawes lead to the ground, there is no vawes without ground. "Because there is an unborn — unbecome — unmade — unfabricated, escape from the born — become — made — fabricated is discerned."
Actuly it was not so wise to give you key of my door. So i'am sorry, i'am not good teacher, because my key will not open your door. Actualy if we practice well, then we are able to open our door, so actuly, is like someone was on the way, and one another drop the key to him... He dont know what is that, it have no value for him, and actualy it have no more any value at all, because it's not his door, he is not yet (or alredy yet) in frot of his door or knot, and this key have alredy open his door, door is open, key have no more value.
All that it's just similies.
The only good what i can advice and preache is The Noble Eightfold Path who will lead all peoples to their door, and if they are in front of, they will be able to open it, so any other advice have no importance and any value. Just practice, just encourage.
That is my Eghtfold Path explication:Right View
- Is the view of anicca, dukkha and anattaRight Intentions
- Is liberationRight Speech/ Right Action/ Right Livelihood
- Is not harmRight Effort/ Right Mindfulness/ Right Concentration
- Is harmony (Let kamma do his work, let waves lead to the ground)
Actualy Ajhan Chaa way of teaching was the perfect one, because monks were confronted on their own kamma in daily life, and Ven. Ajhan Chaa helps them to get all necessery from each situation. I dont know if some one know the way that he teach, actualy, i dont know too, but i know that he use everyday situations to teach his followers. Is the best way.
It's all that i can say.