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Difference between Citta and Brahma?

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Postby Gwyddion » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:39 am

Anyone want to try answering my updated question without dancing around with mysticism? Also yes the Buddha did not teach one to think 'nothink' if you want to do beyond concepts you have to realise this is also a concept. As for the monks here most of them become monks to get an education, and there is nothing wrong with that If it helps them. Personally I have an education what i'm looking for is a clear and precise understanding of the buddha's teaching. not get a reply like, 'your thinking too much', or 'listen to you'rse heart' these are lazy answers in this case at leas
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Re: Difference between Citta and Brahma?

Postby mikenz66 » Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:52 am

I guess Gwyddion means:
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=14979#p216391

But perhaps he could look at the links I posted (Ajahn Maha Boowa, etc) and confirm that this is the sort of teaching he is talking about.

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Re: Difference between Citta and Brahma?

Postby Gwyddion » Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:07 am

Yes sorry I missed your post, definitely as in maha boowa. Do you think he is veering off from the Buddhas teaching in this respect?

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Re: Difference between Citta and Brahma?

Postby daverupa » Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:21 pm

I don't have a skilled ability with Pali, but "steeped in nibbana" seems like a better translation here:

nibbanogadham hi Radha brahmacariyam vussati nibbanaparayanam nibbanapariyosanam

"Steeped in nibbana, Radha, is the holy life; it has been lived with nibbana as the destination, nibbana as the final goal."

I feel as though I must surely have messed up tenses here, as well as who knows what else. Thoughts?

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Re: Difference between Citta and Brahma?

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Re: Difference between Citta and Brahma?

Postby daverupa » Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:53 pm

Thankee-sai.

The three compounds are synonymous, aren't they, and qualifying brahmacariya? So it isn't saying anything about nibbana here, but is instead saying that the holy life is altogether centered on nibbana - no ontological commitments, but instead a matter of the appropriate intention, per :

"The holy life is lived under the Blessed One, my friend, for the sake of attaining nibbana through lack of clinging."

Based in nibbana, for the sake of nibbana, nibbana as the final goal, nibbana as the destination... this is the holy life.
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Re: Difference between Citta and Brahma?

Postby DAWN » Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:30 pm

Buddha said that i have right view :woohoo: :D :guns:

"Bhikkhus, just as the dawn is the forerunner and first indication of the rising of the sun, so is right view the forerunner and first indication of wholesome states."

PS Sorry for this joke, but it's realy funny how peoples can be atached to labels. How we say it in russia "и смех и грех", "laught and sin" - it means that it's funny, but it's bad to lought about it. So it is. :|
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Re: Difference between Citta and Brahma?

Postby daverupa » Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:32 pm

The thing is, the word isn't being used to describe nibbana, it's being used to qualify the holy life. You seem, still, to think of nibbana as a special thing, when the term is actually already a metaphor, one that refers to the absence of certain things - not the presence of certain things. It is not a metaphor for stability, as you say.


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