perkele wrote:Considering the scope and purpose of the Buddha's teaching and the scope and purpose of science I would say: No.
Which is pretty cool in my opinion considering the length of the time of about 2500 years.
Actually that is not that astounding. In the same vein, the things that Jesus taught (thereby I don't mean the strange fabrications of catholic dogma etc. which have pretty much overgrown it and taken on an own importance out of proportion) can't be made obsolete by science. Because the scope and purpose is different.
In the light of this, this is not at all a basis for pride and a feeling of superiority over other religious traditions which clearly just have another scope and purpose than science.
Kim O'Hara wrote: Fede wrote:
That's me, I guess
I'm going to answer the OP with a 'Yes, I think so.'
I would be quite sure if only I were quite sure about where to find all the cosmological stuff ... I think
it's in the Canon. You know, Mount Meru as the centre of the universe, human lifetimes measured in thousands of years and diminishing in this present age, that sort of thing.
I have never paid much attention to it so I don't quite know where it comes from, but I am quite sure that lots of it has to be abandoned in the light of modern science, just like the Jewish and Maori and [insert ethnic group of choice] creation stories.Abandoning it, fortunately, doesn't affect (far less invalidate) the most important teachings.
Okay, you are right in that regard. I have pretty much forgotten about/ignored it because these things are not an essential part of the teaching. When the Buddha said (I paraphrase) "It is only suffering that I teach and the end of suffering" that tells us what his teaching is about and I think one can check this to be true in pretty much every sutta that this was always his central concern and focus.
With regard to the cosmological things you mentioned (which I believe are more or less contained in one single sutta (not sure though)) I think they do have some valid purpose in that they bring home a vision of the vastness of samsara. Might be interesting to read it again and discuss maybe in another thread what is actually the point of this sutta. I do believe it has some valid message. But this message is surely not about geography, astronomy or biology as from a scientific point of view. And the significance of such details as Mount Meru as the center of the world etc. is surely not particularly emphasized.
I must say, however, that I'm not particularly familiar with this sutta (I think it's only one) and my reply is pretty much a gut reaction. Might be interesting to discuss it in another topic.