50th Anniversary of Nanavira's sotapatti

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Re: 50th Anniversary of Nanavira's sotapatti

Postby gavesako » Sat Jun 27, 2009 5:55 am

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Kiṃkusalagavesī anuttaraṃ santivarapadaṃ pariyesamāno... (MN 26)

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Re: 50th Anniversary of Nanavira's sotapatti

Postby Rhino » Sat Jun 27, 2009 8:57 am

With best wishes

Only in a vertical view, straight down into the abyss of his own personal existence, is a man capable of apprehending the perilous insecurity of his situation; and only a man who does apprehend this is prepared to listen to the Buddha's Teaching.

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Re: 50th Anniversary of Nanavira's sotapatti

Postby cooran » Sat Jun 27, 2009 9:12 am

Hello all,

Saying one is a Sotapanna doesn't make it so.
The person may be one - or he equally may be deluded.

What is important is not so much what a being living over 2,500 years after the parinibbana of the Buddha says, but what the Fully Enlightened Sammasambuddha taught.

Attending to our own practice based on the Teachings of the Buddha is all that is required of us.

We don't need to debate, take sides, believe, disbelieve or argue over whether Nanavira Thera had or had not reached any level of enlightenment.
It is not important.

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Re: 50th Anniversary of Nanavira's sotapatti

Postby Rhino » Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:59 am

With best wishes

Only in a vertical view, straight down into the abyss of his own personal existence, is a man capable of apprehending the perilous insecurity of his situation; and only a man who does apprehend this is prepared to listen to the Buddha's Teaching.

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Re: 50th Anniversary of Nanavira's sotapatti

Postby gavesako » Sat Jun 27, 2009 9:17 pm

Compare:

SUICIDE IN BUDDHISM -- POST-CANONICAL DEFLECTIONS

Bhikkhu Professor Dhammavihari

http://www.metta.lk/english/suicide.htm
Bhikkhu Gavesako
Kiṃkusalagavesī anuttaraṃ santivarapadaṃ pariyesamāno... (MN 26)

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Re: 50th Anniversary of Nanavira's sotapatti

Postby Cittasanto » Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:20 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: 50th Anniversary of Nanavira's sotapatti

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Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken

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Re: 50th Anniversary of Nanavira's sotapatti

Postby BlackBird » Sun Jun 28, 2009 7:37 am

When I was staying at the NZ Branch Monastery - Bodhinyanarama, there was a photo of Ajahn Chah with the quote Venerable Gavesako has posted here. When I first arrived it pissed me off.

I thought: "Who does this guy think he is..."
"I want to get enlightened, shouldn't I be striving for this?"
"Why are there so many photos of this guy around, he doesn't seem so special to me!"

The more time that went by, the more I came to realise the truth in Luang Por Chah's words.
It's not that you shouldn't strive for enlightenment
It's that the way to strive for enlightenment is by letting go.

Let go of being a Bodhisattva.
Let go of being an arahant.
In fact, let go of all your attachments.
That is the path.

Now when I think of Ajahn Chah, it's with a heart full of affection, for a man who's words shouldn't always be taken at face value.

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Re: 50th Anniversary of Nanavira's sotapatti

Postby BlackBird » Sun Jun 28, 2009 7:53 am

"For a disciple who has conviction in the Teacher's message & lives to penetrate it, what accords with the Dhamma is this:
'The Blessed One is the Teacher, I am a disciple. He is the one who knows, not I." -

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Re: 50th Anniversary of Nanavira's sotapatti

Postby gavesako » Sun Jun 28, 2009 11:34 am

Bhikkhu Gavesako
Kiṃkusalagavesī anuttaraṃ santivarapadaṃ pariyesamāno... (MN 26)

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Re: 50th Anniversary of Nanavira's sotapatti

Postby atulo » Sun Jun 28, 2009 11:44 am

Here are two more websites - Publisher of Ven. Nanavira's works, and other relevant materials.
Path Press: http://www.pathpress.co.cc
Path Press Publications: http://www.pathpresspublications.com

How many of you did read Notes on Dhamma?

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Re: 50th Anniversary of Nanavira's sotapatti

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:18 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: 50th Anniversary of Nanavira's sotapatti

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Re: 50th Anniversary of Nanavira's sotapatti

Postby Cittasanto » Mon Jun 29, 2009 8:49 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: 50th Anniversary of Nanavira's sotapatti

Postby atulo » Tue Jun 30, 2009 6:03 am

Hello Rhino and moderator,
could you close (lock) this thread since the conversation is not about the anniversary anymore. Thank you.


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