On the authority of the suttas.

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On the authority of the suttas.

Postby polarbear101 » Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:27 am

"I don't envision a single thing that, when developed & cultivated, leads to such great benefit as the mind. The mind, when developed & cultivated, leads to great benefit."

"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."

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Re: On the authority of the suttas.

Postby Mr Man » Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:37 am

The "authority" is somthing that we give. How we decide could be determined by our position as a scholar/historian or a "practitioner" or a a combination. Consensus is the acceptable face of delusion.

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Re: On the authority of the suttas.

Postby retrofuturist » Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:43 am

"Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education." - Ven. Thich Nhat Hanh

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Re: On the authority of the suttas.

Postby polarbear101 » Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:53 am

It seems rather reasonable to assume that there was a historical buddha, and reasonable to assume that teachings repeated consistently throughout the suttas came from him. Basically, the 8 fold path, noble truths, dependent origination, are almost certainly in my mind the teachings of a guy named Gotama from roughly 2500 years ago. And I think the sutta pitaka and the vinaya pitaka are the foremost authorities on what counts as buddha dhamma, with the suttas being more important than the vinaya. Afterall, the vinaya wasn't formulated until the sangha got too big to be full of only good bhikkhus.
"I don't envision a single thing that, when developed & cultivated, leads to such great benefit as the mind. The mind, when developed & cultivated, leads to great benefit."

"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."

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Re: On the authority of the suttas.

Postby Doshin » Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:45 am

Knowing about dhamma, does not imply knowing dhamma

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Re: On the authority of the suttas.

Postby DAWN » Thu Nov 29, 2012 1:03 pm

For the moment, all what is said in suttas by The Blessed One, is true, and can by verified directly, without standing up from the sit. And without using UFO technologies :alien: :tongue:
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Postby Spiny Norman » Thu Nov 29, 2012 1:17 pm

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Re: On the authority of the suttas.

Postby suttametta » Thu Nov 29, 2012 1:36 pm

Kalama Sutta: Test it out for yourself. If it comes out that way for you too, then you know the text is authoritative. It's not that important who said it, unless of course you believe only Buddha knew what he was talking about and then cannot accept anything unless it was said by him. A writer from the 19th Century, George Grimm, posited many speculations about what was said by Buddha and what was made up by monks. Many Western dharma scholars are caught on this hook. These are the sad cases of those who do not speak from experience. Much dharma information becomes self-evident on the path. It's not only the historical Gautama who will understand things. He taught the path, so of course he created the lineage of future Buddhas. You see in the past 2500 years how many people were enlightened? Millions.

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Re: On the authority of the suttas.

Postby alan » Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:20 am

The suttas are our guide, and you should read them.

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Re: On the authority of the suttas.

Postby Kusala » Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:32 am

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"He, the Blessed One, is indeed the Noble Lord, the Perfectly Enlightened One;
He is impeccable in conduct and understanding, the Serene One, the Knower of the Worlds;
He trains perfectly those who wish to be trained; he is Teacher of gods and men; he is Awake and Holy. "

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Apparent here and now, timeless, encouraging investigation,
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Re: On the authority of the suttas.

Postby alan » Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:36 am

Completely incorrect!
Buddhism exists because of what he taught, and it is recorded in the suttas.
Why is this even a point of discussion?

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Re: On the authority of the suttas.

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Re: On the authority of the suttas.

Postby Alex123 » Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:55 pm

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