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I like hardcore too, I spend a lot of time in the Abhidhamma and the Visudhimagga. Shall we wend our merry way through the fifty-four kamavacara cittas, just for the fun of it? :tongue:

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Postby DAWN » Sat Nov 10, 2012 3:09 am

Here Buddha seems to speak about self.
He dont refute "Manyness" = Self, he dont refute "Oneness" = Anatta, he tell just that is not the way that he teach Dhamma.
It mean that dhammas exist on relative point of view and dont exist on absolute point of view, that they are self, on relative point of view, and anatta on absolute point of view, but it's not the way that he teach The Dhamma of liberation from suffering, he teach it by depending origination. "If there IS this, so that IS"

What do you think?

SN 12.48
Lokayatika Sutta: The Cosmologist

Staying at Savatthi. Then a brahman cosmologist [1] went to the Blessed One and, on arrival, exchanged courteous greetings with him. After an exchange of friendly greetings & courtesies, he sat to one side. As he was sitting there, he said to the Blessed One, "Now, then, Master Gotama, does everything [2] exist?"

"'Everything exists' is the senior form of cosmology, brahman."

"Then, Master Gotama, does everything not exist?"

"'Everything does not exist' is the second form of cosmology, brahman."

"Then is everything a Oneness?"

"'Everything is a Oneness' is the third form of cosmology, brahman."

"Then is everything a Manyness?"

"'Everything is a Manyness' is the fourth form of cosmology, brahman. Avoiding these two extremes, the Tathagata teaches the Dhamma via the middle: From ignorance as a requisite condition come fabrications. From fabrications as a requisite condition comes consciousness. From consciousness as a requisite condition comes name-&-form. From name-&-form as a requisite condition come the six sense media. From the six sense media as a requisite condition comes contact. From contact as a requisite condition comes feeling. From feeling as a requisite condition comes craving. From craving as a requisite condition comes clinging/sustenance. From clinging/sustenance as a requisite condition comes becoming. From becoming as a requisite condition comes birth. From birth as a requisite condition, then aging & death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, distress, & despair come into play. Such is the origination of this entire mass of stress & suffering.
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Re: NO self

Postby danieLion » Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:21 am

If the Buddha taught "NO self," why did he instruct bhikkhus to make themselves their governing principle (AN 3.40, Adhipateyya Sutta) and be islands unto themselves (SN 22.43, Attadiipaa Sutta)?

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Re: NO self

Postby DAWN » Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:48 pm

Ven. Bhikkhu Bodhi translate anatta like "noself".

If we watch in the past there is conditioned "noself".
If we wath in the very present moment, at the very border of reality, there is "no self" at all.

If i see it rightly. :thinking:

Anyway it's a void discussion, IMO. :zzz:

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