On the authority of the suttas.

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Re: On the authority of the suttas.

Postby cooran » Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:17 pm

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Re: On the authority of the suttas.

Postby Javi » Sat Dec 01, 2012 1:19 am

Vayadhammā saṅkhārā appamādena sampādethā — All things decay and disappoint, it is through vigilance that you succeed — Mahāparinibbāna Sutta

Tārakā timiraṃ dīpo māyāvaśyāya budbudaḥ supinaṃ vidyud abhraṃ ca evaṃ draṣṭavya saṃskṛtam — A shooting star, a clouding of the sight, a lamp, An illusion, a drop of dew, a bubble, A dream, a lightning’s flash, a thunder cloud — This is the way one should see the conditioned — Vajracchedikā Prajñāpāramitā

I have seen all things that are done under the sun, and behold, all is vanity and a chase after wind — Ecclesiastes 1.14

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Re: On the authority of the suttas.

Postby alan » Sat Dec 01, 2012 2:27 am

Not necessary to revere the suttas. But it is imperative to read them.
And if you haven't read them, you're not in a position to interpret them, are you?

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Re: On the authority of the suttas.

Postby ground » Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:34 am

Either there is immediacy of insight upon eye or ear contact or there is not. If the latter then either the words are abondoned or there arises religious thought (comprising belief and doubt) supported by hope and fear. :sage:

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Re: On the authority of the suttas.

Postby Spiny Norman » Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:21 am

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Re: On the authority of the suttas.

Postby DAWN » Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:51 am

Buddha Dhamma can be seen directly, there is no reasons to doubt.

Anicca, dukkha and anatta are here, in every fenomena. We can have some doubt about what can not be seen directly, but Buddha Dhamma can be seen directly, experianced here and now.

If peoples have doubt about possibility of liberation, so they have to abandon this doubt, because even logicaly, in this dualistic world, we can understand that if there is dukkha, it's because at there is actualy abcence of dukkha, and only because there is absence of dukkha we can experiance dukkha.

It's because there is day, that thee is night.

It's like a water drop fallen in ocean, this drop can't feel it-self existance, can't feel separation of it self from the rest of ocean. So if we would not experianced dukkha, it would be mean that there is no escape from dukkha, but we alrady not experiance it, so there is needs to be "liberated from freedom".
But, if it would be drop of another substance then water, the self apear, and perception - "it's me, it's water" - apear. And why it's apear in our mind? Because there is dirth in the drop, this drop is dirty, so it feel difference between 'it self' and 'water'. Difference, consciosness, is the heart of dukkha, nature of dukkha.
So, because there is consciosness, because there is dukkha, there is actually freedom. When consciosness will disapear, it would be mean that there is no more difference between the drop and water. Like a body wich is put in water with the temperture of this body, this body have no perception of it self, because there is no difference between temperture of body and temperture of water.

Thats why we feel dukkha, and because we feel dukkha, we can be sure that there is abcence of dukkha, wich can be reached by the one who feel dukkha.


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There is, monks, an unborn[1] — unbecome — unmade — unfabricated. If there were not that unborn — unbecome — unmade — unfabricated, there would not be the case that escape from the born — become — made — fabricated would be discerned. But precisely because there is an unborn — unbecome — unmade — unfabricated, escape from the born — become — made — fabricated is discerned.[2]
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Re: On the authority of the suttas.

Postby Alex123 » Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:22 pm

"Life is a struggle. Life will throw curveballs at you, it will humble you, it will attempt to break you down. And just when you think things are starting to look up, life will smack you back down with ruthless indifference..."

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Re: On the authority of the suttas.

Postby Kusala » Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:45 am

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"He, the Blessed One, is indeed the Noble Lord, the Perfectly Enlightened One;
He is impeccable in conduct and understanding, the Serene One, the Knower of the Worlds;
He trains perfectly those who wish to be trained; he is Teacher of gods and men; he is Awake and Holy. "

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Apparent here and now, timeless, encouraging investigation,
Leading to liberation, to be experienced individually by the wise. "

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Re: On the authority of the suttas.

Postby alan » Sun Dec 02, 2012 3:14 am

Why do you revere the suttas, DanieLion?

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Re: On the authority of the suttas.

Postby alan » Sun Dec 02, 2012 3:28 am

I've been on and off this page. It's nice to communicate ideas, and share thoughts with like minded people. But one thing that turns me off is the basic lack of reason I sometimes find.
Please, people, use reason when you respond, and speak from your understanding. Don't try to impress me with odd words. And let it be known that I see through self-indulgent nonsense. Our job is to learn. We do it by reading the suttas, practicing, and hearing from others who are honestly on the path.

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