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We know about the Dhamma because of the suttas. - Dhamma Wheel

We know about the Dhamma because of the suttas.

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We know about the Dhamma because of the suttas.

Postby alan » Sat Dec 01, 2012 3:04 am

I'm astonished to see any argument otherwise. Where would we be without them?
You don't have to revere them, but if you are a Buddhist, everything you know, or think you know, comes from the original teachings. We can argue about points, we can disagree about how best to practice. But we all owe a debt of gratitude to the Buddha for teaching. Where best to find that? In the suttas, of course. They are the best representation of his teachings, and you should read them.

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Re: We know about the Dhamma because of the suttas.

Postby David N. Snyder » Sat Dec 01, 2012 3:39 am

So true!

The Buddha attained enlightenment not just as an arahant, but as a samma-sam-buddha, who rediscovers the Dhamma. There is no need for each of us to reinvent the wheel, we have the guidelines and the map already lined out; it is up to us to follow the path as described in this guide. For example, there are some who say that Suttas / scripture is not important, that it is all allegory and meditation practice is all you need to discover the truth through your own "intuitions." If everyone had to start from scratch with no guideline whatsoever, there would be as many different versions of Buddhism as there are Buddhists. And no one would know which one is correct and which one is just another deluded person / path.
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Re: We know about the Dhamma because of the suttas.

Postby polarbear101 » Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:01 am

I agree, buddhism would be effectively nothing without the suttas. Even though there seems to be some interpolation in the suttas according to scholars, I think that they are damn good proof of a historical Gotama now known as the buddha who taught the 8 fold path, 4 noble truths, dependent origination, etc.
"I don't envision a single thing that, when developed & cultivated, leads to such great benefit as the mind. The mind, when developed & cultivated, leads to great benefit."

"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."

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Re: We know about the Dhamma because of the suttas.

Postby Kusala » Sat Dec 01, 2012 4:53 am

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"He, the Blessed One, is indeed the Noble Lord, the Perfectly Enlightened One;
He is impeccable in conduct and understanding, the Serene One, the Knower of the Worlds;
He trains perfectly those who wish to be trained; he is Teacher of gods and men; he is Awake and Holy. "

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"The Dhamma is well-expounded by the Blessed One,
Apparent here and now, timeless, encouraging investigation,
Leading to liberation, to be experienced individually by the wise. "

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Re: We know about the Dhamma because of the suttas.

Postby Mr Man » Sat Dec 01, 2012 9:14 am

I think we have a false premise, Is this what your saying "What we know about what is "in" the suttas is "in" the suttas"?

To me "owe a debt of gratitude" is rather an odd idium. I can relate to it on a personal leval but wouldn't want to impose it on to others.

I see the Buddha and Suttas as a starting point and souce (of this dispensation) but not the end. The dhamma is something that moves through time with the Sangha; contemporary teachers and scholars are what make it accessible.

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Re: We know about the Dhamma because of the suttas.

Postby Spiny Norman » Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:58 am

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Postby Spiny Norman » Sat Dec 01, 2012 11:01 am

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Re: We know about the Dhamma because of the suttas.

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Re: We know about the Dhamma because of the suttas.

Postby Modus.Ponens » Sat Dec 01, 2012 2:21 pm

He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.'
(Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

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Re: We know about the Dhamma because of the suttas.

Postby cooran » Sat Dec 01, 2012 8:58 pm

Hello all,

Some of what the Buddha alluded to about Gratitude to himself is mentioned here:

The Lessons of Gratitude
At the same time, the example of your behavior and freedom of mind is a gift to others, in that it shows how they, too, can free themselves from their debts. This is why the Buddha said that only those who have attained full awakening eat the alms food of the country without incurring debt. They've even paid off their debt to the Buddha for having taught the way to release. As he said, the only homage he requested was that people practice the Dhamma in line with the Dhamma — i.e., to develop the disenchantment and dispassion that lead to release (DN 16; SN 22.39-42) — so that the world will not be empty of awakened people. In this way, attaining full release is not a selfish act; instead, it's the highest expression of kindness and gratitude.

Of course, it's a rare person who will take this route to freedom, but that doesn't lessen its value or relevance. As with gratitude and benefaction, it's an opportunity to become rare and distinctive that's open to anyone with the discernment to appreciate it and the determination to become truly kind and debt-free
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http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/auth ... itude.html

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Re: We know about the Dhamma because of the suttas.

Postby Kusala » Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:50 pm

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"He, the Blessed One, is indeed the Noble Lord, the Perfectly Enlightened One;
He is impeccable in conduct and understanding, the Serene One, the Knower of the Worlds;
He trains perfectly those who wish to be trained; he is Teacher of gods and men; he is Awake and Holy. "

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"The Dhamma is well-expounded by the Blessed One,
Apparent here and now, timeless, encouraging investigation,
Leading to liberation, to be experienced individually by the wise. "

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Re: We know about the Dhamma because of the suttas.

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Re: We know about the Dhamma because of the suttas.

Postby Kusala » Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:30 am

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"He, the Blessed One, is indeed the Noble Lord, the Perfectly Enlightened One;
He is impeccable in conduct and understanding, the Serene One, the Knower of the Worlds;
He trains perfectly those who wish to be trained; he is Teacher of gods and men; he is Awake and Holy. "

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"The Dhamma is well-expounded by the Blessed One,
Apparent here and now, timeless, encouraging investigation,
Leading to liberation, to be experienced individually by the wise. "

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Re: We know about the Dhamma because of the suttas.

Postby alan » Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:54 am

I'm sorry, Mr. Man, but I don't get what you are trying to say. Since it appears English is not your first language, maybe in the future you'll take more time thinking about how best to express your opinions.
For instance, you would be well advised to research the idea of "false premise".

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Re: We know about the Dhamma because of the suttas.

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Re: We know about the Dhamma because of the suttas.

Postby Spiny Norman » Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:10 pm

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Re: We know about the Dhamma because of the suttas.

Postby alan » Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:46 am

So we all agree that reading the suttas is important? Great. And we all agree that the suttas are the basis of all teachings. And I won't hear any disagreements, right?

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Re: We know about the Dhamma because of the suttas.

Postby alan » Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:09 am

All too often I see people abandon reason when the "get religion". Don't let this happen to you, friends.
Reason can be your best friend in a confusing world. Use it. How best to be a reasonable person who is into Buddhism? By reading the suttas, and practicing. Understanding the basics is essential.
How do you learn the basics? By reading the suttas.


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