How are the different levels of vinaya offences handled?

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How are the different levels of vinaya offences handled?

Postby James the Giant » Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:44 am

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Re: How are the different levels of vinaya offences handled?

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:51 am



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
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He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: How are the different levels of vinaya offences handled?

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:37 am

hope this helps a little bit. I pulled these from an old doc so the spelling may be slightly different now (although changed some differences) given a little explanation of the classes by each (in the group of seven)
the 5 classes
pârâgika,
sanghâdisesa,
pâcittiya,
pâtidesaniya,
dukkata

the 7 classes
[list=]pârâgika - dead in the sangha
sanghâdisesa - on life support, can be made healthy again but it takes time.
thullaccaya - Grave offence (not sure of recompense) mainly from incomplete pârâgika & samghâdisesa offences or inappropriate mendicant/monastic attitude. ill but need medicine.
pâcittiya - these are similare to verbal or physical acts that could end up in legal action if done in lay life. I liken these to public order or civil offences (here where I live)
pâtidesaniya - I understand these to be discourteous acts to be accnowledged. discourteous not in a deliberate way as seen in some of the pâcittiya rules but unthoughtful to others needs....
dukkata - fifth in previous list but here an action that is unskilled in some slight way.
dubbhâsita - aspect of fifth in previous list, except the speach version of the above.[/list]
The last three are thoughtless and the pacittiya is deliberate (in simple terms yet not exclusive). the last three are similare to an alcoholic or smoker trying to quit and kidding themselves it is ok to have a drink or smoke.

The Rules
The Pârâgika Rules
The Samghâdisesa Rules
The Aniyata Rules
The Nissaggiya Pâkittiya Rules
The Pâkittiya Rules
The Pâtidesaniya Rules
The Sekhiya Rules - all aspects of the fifth
The Adhikarana-samatha Rules - how to deal with issues.


He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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Re: How are the different levels of vinaya offences handled?

Postby James the Giant » Sun Dec 02, 2012 11:52 am

That's great Cittasanto, thank you very much for taking the time to explain that.
Would you happen to know what the penance is for a Sanghadisesa? I seem to remember something about reducing a bhikkhu back to novice level, under dependence again... or something like that.
Cheers and metta
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Re: How are the different levels of vinaya offences handled?

Postby Cittasanto » Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:32 pm



He who knows only his own side of the case knows little of that. His reasons may be good, and no one may have been able to refute them.
But if he is equally unable to refute the reasons on the opposite side, if he does not so much as know what they are, he has no ground for preferring either opinion …
...
He must be able to hear them from persons who actually believe them … he must know them in their most plausible and persuasive form.

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