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"Yoga is better than meditation. Be your own teacher." - Dhamma Wheel

"Yoga is better than meditation. Be your own teacher."

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"Yoga is better than meditation. Be your own teacher."

Postby danieLion » Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:01 am

Quotes from this by Gil Fronsdal

Has anyone heard it? I'd like to discuss it.

If you haven't heard it, you probably won't regret listening to it.


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Re: "Yoga is better than meditation. Be your own teacher."

Postby marc108 » Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:10 pm

i only listened to about 20 minutes of the talk, but he says is a 'faster way of de-stressing' not 'better'... unless i missed something later in the talk?
"It's easy for us to connect with what's wrong with us... and not so easy to feel into, or to allow us, to connect with what's right and what's good in us."

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Postby mikenz66 » Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:48 pm

Hi Marc,

That's how I understood it. Talking about the most appropriate tool for the job. If you want to relieve stress, then Yoga, or some other exercise, may well be a better choice than meditation.

The subtext of much of the talk could be put more bluntly: Stress relief (or blissing out, which he also discusses in the talk) has little, if anything, to do with Buddhist practice.

Of course, he's too skilful to be that blunt with his audience, many of whom may be seeking exactly that...

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Re: "Yoga is better than meditation. Be your own teacher."

Postby David2 » Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:07 pm

I think a certain degree of calmness of the body is very conducive for meditation.

That's why walking meditation was "invented". The Buddha recommended walking meditation. The Buddha basically said: "Sometimes walking meditation is better, sometimes sitting meditation is better."

Yoga or any other exercise for the body is not so much different from walking meditation (especially if done with some mindfulness) - they all calm the body.
Gil Fronsdal said: "Sometimes yoga is better, sometimes meditation is better." This is not much different from what the Buddha said.

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Postby marc108 » Thu Nov 29, 2012 1:15 am

"It's easy for us to connect with what's wrong with us... and not so easy to feel into, or to allow us, to connect with what's right and what's good in us."

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Postby suttametta » Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:30 am

Yoga is better than meditation? LOL. He must be doing it wrong.

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Postby mynameisadahn » Wed Dec 05, 2012 6:01 pm

Hello all,

Just wanted to agree with the general sentiment here. I have been doing a bit more yoga lately for stress relief and find it very helpful.

I might take it one step further, actually. I have a tendency to do a lot of striving in my sitting, trying to immediately obtain calm from the breath. I have a job that is quite demanding somtimes. I think so far that yoga is better for just getting out the work-day stresses, and then I can have a more relaxed and productive, if shorter, sitting session afterwards. Then, I am not forcing my breath around as much and constantly striving/desiring when trying to do vipassana.

At least, this seems to be the best for me, as a busy layperson and parent, for now. My goal is to eventually bring more focused awareness, noting, or metta phrases into the yoga practice, but I am still working on learning the yoga asanas, for now.

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Postby mynameisadahn » Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:44 pm

I will have to re-read that book, thanks for the recommendation. I read some of it a year ago, but could review portions.


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