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Does one have to fully accept all concepts to be a Buddhist?

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Does one have to fully accept all concepts to be a Buddhist?

Postby edwhys211 » Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:29 am

Sorry for my frequent questions on this board, but I am very interested in Buddhism.

So here is my current set of beliefs: I follow the teachings of The Buddha, such as the eight fold path and five precepts, and find his quotes and lessons very inspirational and think they are all great teachings to live by. I also accept karma.

However, being an agnostic, I can't say I fully believe in rebirth and the dimensions of rebirth (human, heaven, hell, animal, ghost). Although I believe that after death anything is possible, I feel I cannot fully believe in any concept like an afterlife or rebirth, although I am open to the possibilities. I am certainly intrigued by the concept of rebirth though, probably even more than the concept of heaven.

So back to my main question, would I have to fully believe in rebirth to be a Buddhist? Or are following the eight fold path and five precepts the most important things?


Thank you.

And again, I apologize for my frequent questions.

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Re: Does one have to fully accept all concepts to be a Buddhist?

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Re: Does one have to fully accept all concepts to be a Buddhist?

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Re: Does one have to fully accept all concepts to be a Buddhist?

Postby DAWN » Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:34 am

IMO there is only 3 concepts to be accepted : anicca, dukkha, anatta.
And even, we can not call it concepts, because they can be directly seen and experianced by the wise.

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Re: Does one have to fully accept all concepts to be a Buddhist?

Postby Yana » Thu Dec 06, 2012 11:17 am

Hi Edwhys211,

Now Having faith in these things could either lead you astray or strengthen your dhamma practice.
For example the only reason i can wake up at 4am in the morning (my only quiet time)to meditate in the cold, is because i believe that if i waste this opportunity and i die the same day.I could end up waiting aeons or forever to be reborn a human again.And not just Any human but a human who lives at a time where the The Buddha's teachings of the Dhamma is available in printed format!
Belief in such things keeps me alert and helps me not waste my time during this lifetime.Now this is very different for someone who doesn't believe in rebirth.They might find other reasons to practice the dhamma.

So you shouldn't believe in anything that you can't or have trouble accepting.As long as you stick with what you are doing now then you are on the right track.

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Re: Does one have to fully accept all concepts to be a Buddhist?

Postby Digity » Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:34 pm

There's so much to work on outside of this topic of rebirth...like developing mindfulness, sila, etc. However, there might come a point where you just have utmost confidence in what the Buddha taught and just begin to accept his teachings on rebirth. For me, it came out of a lack of doubt.

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Re: Does one have to fully accept all concepts to be a Buddhist?

Postby DAWN » Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:14 pm

Sabbe dhamma anatta
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Re: Does one have to fully accept all concepts to be a Buddhist?

Postby Bhikkhu_Jayasara » Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:07 am

Was it not in the Kalama sutta where someone debated the Buddha about rebirth.. and the buddha basically said that the practice brings much benefit and rewards here and now in this life.. and then if there is further becoming you are doubly rewarded.

basically saying, shelf it and just practice.
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Re: Does one have to fully accept all concepts to be a Buddhist?

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Re: Does one have to fully accept all concepts to be a Buddhist?

Postby SarathW » Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:54 am

Buddha ask us to not to attach to Dhamma. (Dhamma Thanha)

There are no concepts in Buddhism. They are truths. (Four Noble Truths)

However the major difference between, so called Buddhist and other religion is that Buddhist do not believe in Soul theory. The Buddhist path consist of three major categories. (Sila,Samadhi,Panna)
You find Sila and Samadhi (Samatha) in other religions . Panna is not find in other religions.

The good book to read.
http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/buddh ... gsurw6.pdf
Please start from chapter 15 :)
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”

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Re: Does one have to fully accept all concepts to be a Buddhist?

Postby polarbear101 » Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:04 am

"I don't envision a single thing that, when developed & cultivated, leads to such great benefit as the mind. The mind, when developed & cultivated, leads to great benefit."

"I don't envision a single thing that, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about such suffering & stress as the mind. The mind, when undeveloped & uncultivated, brings about suffering & stress."

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Re: Does one have to fully accept all concepts to be a Buddhist?

Postby Digity » Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:34 am

Concepts are the raft the Buddha was talking about. Although, at some point we must let go of these too...I imagine that happens when you're on the precipice of Nibbana.

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Re: Does one have to fully accept all concepts to be a Buddhist?

Postby SarathW » Fri Dec 07, 2012 2:49 am

Hi Polar
May be your are right. The definition for concept is

A: a theoretical construct within some theory
b. a directly intuited object of thought
c:. the meaning of a predicate

Anyhow, what I am saying is until you understand Buddha’s teaching as experience it will be a concept. Once you understand, it becomes a truth. :meditate:
“As the lamp consumes oil, the path realises Nibbana”


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