What see a ray of light ?

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What see a ray of light ?

Postby DAWN » Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:14 pm

What see a ray of light ?
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Re: What see a ray of light ?

Postby polarbuddha101 » Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:04 pm

Well, that's a rather complex question and it's phrased in such a way that anybody could make a slippery response and think they got away with it. But basically the brain sees the light where the eyeball is just an external component of said brain.
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Re: What see a ray of light ?

Postby Digity » Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:40 am

Nothing sees the light...just a phenomena amongst the aggregates.
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Re: What see a ray of light ?

Postby SamKR » Thu Dec 06, 2012 2:53 am

DAWN wrote:What see a ray of light ?

Based on this sutta, and others we can say: there is nothing that sees. There is just seeing of a ray of light (because of some prerequisite conditions).
Maybe we can say "seeing sees" but even that is not the most accurate way of describing what really is.

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Re: What see a ray of light ?

Postby Kim OHara » Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:24 am

SamKR wrote:Based on this sutta, and others we can say: there is nothing that sees. There is just seeing of a ray of light (because of some prerequisite conditions).

That's about the best answer so far, IMO. It could be extended to incorporate points others have mentioned, e.g. the perception of a ray of light arises in the brain because of the effect of light reaching the eye and stimulating nerves there, but perception does not imply a perceiver. Or something like that. :thinking:

SamKR wrote:Maybe we can say "seeing sees" but even that is not the most accurate way of describing what really is.

Not so good, since "seeing sees" is grammatically problematic enough to be meaningless.

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Re: What see a ray of light ?

Postby beeblebrox » Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:02 pm

What touches this orb of collagen?

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Re: What see a ray of light ?

Postby SamKR » Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:10 pm

beeblebrox wrote:What touches this orb of collagen?

If you mean the physical eye, light (carrying some information about the physical object's outer layer) touches it.

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Re: What see a ray of light ?

Postby beeblebrox » Sat Dec 08, 2012 6:53 am

What makes the light touching? I think it must be the dependent origination.


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