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"It's easy for us to connect with what's wrong with us... and not so easy to feel into, or to allow us, to connect with what's right and what's good in us."

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Tilt, do you think the Buddha taught the "technique"?

To support my view that Goenka's organization is not mainstream Theravada have a look at their website:

http://www.dhamma.org/en/goenka.shtml

http://www.dhamma.org/en/vipassana.shtml

Do you think Goenkaji perceives his organization to be part of the wider Theravada community?

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Postby Monkey Mind » Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:03 am

Mr. Goenka wrote a book about the Sattipathana Sutta. He reviews the Sutta line by line, and describes how the U Bha Khin technique derives from the Sutta. He openly admits that there are other interpretations of the Sutta, and goes so far as to explain why his organization favors the interpretations they use. This manual, combined with "Satipatthana: The Direct Path to Realization" by Analayo, really helped quell any doubts I had about this technique.

There are some other aspects of his techniques that scholars could argue with on academic grounds. Mr. Goenka places a lot of emphasis on the "paramis", which was probably a teaching that came after the Buddha (but still widely accepted in many branches of the Theravada). His teachings about sankhara are hotly debated in other sections of this forum. But neither of these teachings are central to the technique, nor are they unusual for Buddhism as it exists in that part of the world. (Or so I have heard...)

http://store.pariyatti.org/Mahasatipatt ... _1734.html

"Mahasatipatthana Sutta Book Great Discourse on the Establishing of Awareness - ... This annotated translation of the Mahāsatipaṭṭhāna Sutta, the primary discourse in which the Buddha describes the practice of meditation in detail, is intended for use in the meditation courses on the Satipaṭṭhāna Sutta as taught by S.N. Goenka. It will be of interest to any serious student of meditation or of the Buddha's teaching. The sutta text is in Roman-script Pāli, with English translation, introductory article and notes."
"As I am, so are others;
as others are, so am I."
Having thus identified self and others,
harm no one nor have them harmed.

Sutta Nipāta 3.710

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Monkey Mind, It's not just the "technique" as such but the emphasis on the "technique" and structure, which I think are worth exploring. Also I find Ideas like "Anapanna was doing its work and bringing the gross level impurities to the surface" (from the OP) odd.

One ot the things I really liked about U Ba Khin tradition retreats was the feeling that I was really doing work.

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Just keep breathing in and out like this. Don't be interested in anything else. It doesn't matter even if someone is standing on their head with their ass in the air. Don't pay it any attention. Just stay with the in-breath and the out-breath. Concentrate your awareness on the breath. Just keep doing it. http://www.ajahnchah.org/book/Just_Do_It_1_2.php

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“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.”
- Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:
in mountain clefts and chasms,
loud gush the streamlets,
but great rivers flow silently.
- Sutta Nipata 3.725

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