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Pamojja and Piti [Etymology]

Postby Unrul3r » Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:13 pm

Hello fellow path-treaders!

I'd like to know the possible compounds for pamojja and piti. Because of this, I was also wondering if there is a place where I could know the etymology of pali words.

Does anyone know? If there is no such place what would be the possible compounds for the words above?

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Re: Pamojja and Piti [Etymology]

Postby Dmytro » Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:24 am

Hello Unrul3r,

Rhys-Davids'es dictionary gives some Sanskrit and Vedic correspondences, which can be used for etymology investigations:

Pīti cp. Class. Sk. prīti & Vedic prīta pp. of prī

Pāmojja Cp. BSk. prāmodya


Root / lemma: prāi-, prǝi-, prī- (pri-)

English meaning: to like, feel well-disposed, friendly

German meaning: `gern haben, schonen, friedlich-frohe Gesinnung'

Material: Old Indian prīṇā́ti `erfreut', Med. `is vergnögt about etwas', prīyatē ds., `liebt', prītá- `vergnögt, befriedigt; geliebt', prītí- f. `pleasure, joy, Befriedigung', priyāyátē `behandelt liebevoll, befreundet sich' (: got. frijōn, Old Church Slavic prija-jǫ), priyá- `lieb, erwönscht, beliebt', m. `lover, husband', f. `Geliebte, wife' (= av. frya-, aisl. Frigg etc., and got. freis, c. rhydd `free'), priyatvá-m `das Liebsein or -have' (: got. frijaÞwa f. `love'), priyátā ds. (= ags. frēod `love'); with*prǝi- : práyaḥ n. `pleasure, enjoyment', prēmán- m. n. `love, Gunst', prētár- `Wohltöter, Liebhaber, Pfleger', Superl. práïṣṭha- (ved.), prḗṣṭha- `liebst, teuerst', whereupon Kompar. prḗyas- `lieber' for older *prāyas-; av. frāy- `satisfy', e.g. frīnāmahi participle frita-, frīna-, friϑa- `blithe, glad; befriedigt; geliebt', friti- f. `prayer', frya- `lieb, wert'; perhaps the hispan. (ven.-illyr. ö) VN Praesta-marci (: ags. frīd-hengest);

Note:

alb. geg. prende, tosk. Premte [*prēmán- dies]'Friday' was created on the same basis as lat. L Veneris dies day of the planet Venus (whence Fr. vendredi), based on Gk Aphrodites hemera day of Aphrodite, germ. Freitag `day of Freya = goddess of love' similar to gr. παρασκευή'Friday' from gr. πρᾱΰς `soft, mild'

gr. πρᾱΰς `gentle, mild' from *πρᾱι̯υ- with jöngerer o-inflection πρᾳος, beweist idg. āi; whereas. belongs air. rīar f. `volition, wish' to erei-, S. 330;

cymr. rhydd `free' = got. freis (akk. frijana), ahd. as. frī, ags. frēo, frī `free, los, free from', aisl. in frjāls from *frīhals (die meaning `free' originally `to den Lieben gehörig'); aisl. Frigg, ahd. Frija `wife Wotans', ags. frēo f., as. frī n. `woman from noble lineage' (`die love'); got. frijōn `lieben', aisl. frjā ds., ags. frīogan `lieben, befreien', mdn. vrīen, as. friohan `freien, werben', participle got. frijōnds `friend', aisl. frǣndi, Pl. frǣndr `friend, kinsman, relative', ags. frīond, as. friund `friend, lover, kinsman, relative', ahd. friunt `friend, lover'; aisl. frīðr `beautiful', ags. frīdḫhengest `stattliches horse'; from *frīða- in the meaning `geschont' derives got. freidjan `spare, look after', ahd. vrīten `hegen' (frīthof `eingefriedigter courtyard', nhd. Freithof and popular etymology Friedhof); with ĭ aisl. friðill `lover, lover', f. friðla, frilla, ahd. fridel, f. fridila `Geliebte(r)', next to which from participle *frijōða- from: as. friuthil, ahd. friudil ds.; ahd. fridu m. `peace, protection, certainty, Einfriedigung', as. frithu m. `peace', ags. frioðu m. `peace, protection, certainty', aisl. friðr m. `love, peace', got. ga-friÞōn `spare, look after', aisl. friða `Frieden make, versöhnen', ags. friðian `shield', ahd. gifridōn `beschötzen';

Old Church Slavic prějǫ `be favorable to, take care of', prijaḫjǫ, -ti ds., prijatelь `friend, lover'; probably also lett. priêks `pleasure, joy'.

maybe alb. prek `touch, make love' : lett. priêks `pleasure, joy', alb. geg. me pritë `to host, protect, expect, wait.

References: WP. II 86 f., Trautmann 231.

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Old Indian mudirá- m. `cloud', lex. also `frog'; in addition Old Indian mṓdatē `is funny', mṓda- m., mōdana- n. `lust, Fröhlichkeit', av. maoδanō-karana- `Wollust bereitend', Old Indian mudita `blithe, glad', av. a-hǝ̄musta- (*a-sam-musta-) `dessen man nicht froh become kann, unsavory, distasteful', Old Indian mud-, mudā `lust, pleasure, joy', mudrá- `funny';

http://dnghu.org/indoeuropean.html

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Re: Pamojja and Piti [Etymology]

Postby Unrul3r » Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:48 pm

Dmytro wrote:Hello Unrul3r,

Rhys-Davids'es dictionary gives some Sanskrit and Vedic correspondences, which can be used for etymology investigations:

Pīti cp. Class. Sk. prīti & Vedic prīta pp. of prī

Pāmojja Cp. BSk. prāmodya


Root / lemma: prāi-, prǝi-, prī- (pri-)

English meaning: to like, feel well-disposed, friendly

German meaning: `gern haben, schonen, friedlich-frohe Gesinnung'

Material: Old Indian prīṇā́ti `erfreut', Med. `is vergnögt about etwas', prīyatē ds., `liebt', prītá- `vergnögt, befriedigt; geliebt', prītí- f. `pleasure, joy, Befriedigung', priyāyátē `behandelt liebevoll, befreundet sich' (: got. frijōn, Old Church Slavic prija-jǫ), priyá- `lieb, erwönscht, beliebt', m. `lover, husband', f. `Geliebte, wife' (= av. frya-, aisl. Frigg etc., and got. freis, c. rhydd `free'), priyatvá-m `das Liebsein or -have' (: got. frijaÞwa f. `love'), priyátā ds. (= ags. frēod `love'); with*prǝi- : práyaḥ n. `pleasure, enjoyment', prēmán- m. n. `love, Gunst', prētár- `Wohltöter, Liebhaber, Pfleger', Superl. práïṣṭha- (ved.), prḗṣṭha- `liebst, teuerst', whereupon Kompar. prḗyas- `lieber' for older *prāyas-; av. frāy- `satisfy', e.g. frīnāmahi participle frita-, frīna-, friϑa- `blithe, glad; befriedigt; geliebt', friti- f. `prayer', frya- `lieb, wert'; perhaps the hispan. (ven.-illyr. ö) VN Praesta-marci (: ags. frīd-hengest);

Note:

alb. geg. prende, tosk. Premte [*prēmán- dies]'Friday' was created on the same basis as lat. L Veneris dies day of the planet Venus (whence Fr. vendredi), based on Gk Aphrodites hemera day of Aphrodite, germ. Freitag `day of Freya = goddess of love' similar to gr. παρασκευή'Friday' from gr. πρᾱΰς `soft, mild'

gr. πρᾱΰς `gentle, mild' from *πρᾱι̯υ- with jöngerer o-inflection πρᾳος, beweist idg. āi; whereas. belongs air. rīar f. `volition, wish' to erei-, S. 330;

cymr. rhydd `free' = got. freis (akk. frijana), ahd. as. frī, ags. frēo, frī `free, los, free from', aisl. in frjāls from *frīhals (die meaning `free' originally `to den Lieben gehörig'); aisl. Frigg, ahd. Frija `wife Wotans', ags. frēo f., as. frī n. `woman from noble lineage' (`die love'); got. frijōn `lieben', aisl. frjā ds., ags. frīogan `lieben, befreien', mdn. vrīen, as. friohan `freien, werben', participle got. frijōnds `friend', aisl. frǣndi, Pl. frǣndr `friend, kinsman, relative', ags. frīond, as. friund `friend, lover, kinsman, relative', ahd. friunt `friend, lover'; aisl. frīðr `beautiful', ags. frīdḫhengest `stattliches horse'; from *frīða- in the meaning `geschont' derives got. freidjan `spare, look after', ahd. vrīten `hegen' (frīthof `eingefriedigter courtyard', nhd. Freithof and popular etymology Friedhof); with ĭ aisl. friðill `lover, lover', f. friðla, frilla, ahd. fridel, f. fridila `Geliebte(r)', next to which from participle *frijōða- from: as. friuthil, ahd. friudil ds.; ahd. fridu m. `peace, protection, certainty, Einfriedigung', as. frithu m. `peace', ags. frioðu m. `peace, protection, certainty', aisl. friðr m. `love, peace', got. ga-friÞōn `spare, look after', aisl. friða `Frieden make, versöhnen', ags. friðian `shield', ahd. gifridōn `beschötzen';

Old Church Slavic prějǫ `be favorable to, take care of', prijaḫjǫ, -ti ds., prijatelь `friend, lover'; probably also lett. priêks `pleasure, joy'.

maybe alb. prek `touch, make love' : lett. priêks `pleasure, joy', alb. geg. me pritë `to host, protect, expect, wait.

References: WP. II 86 f., Trautmann 231.

Page(s): 844




Old Indian mudirá- m. `cloud', lex. also `frog'; in addition Old Indian mṓdatē `is funny', mṓda- m., mōdana- n. `lust, Fröhlichkeit', av. maoδanō-karana- `Wollust bereitend', Old Indian mudita `blithe, glad', av. a-hǝ̄musta- (*a-sam-musta-) `dessen man nicht froh become kann, unsavory, distasteful', Old Indian mud-, mudā `lust, pleasure, joy', mudrá- `funny';

http://dnghu.org/indoeuropean.html

Metta,

Dmytro


Thank you Dmytro!

I can see where piti comes from now. But I couldn't find reference to pamojja. Am I missing anything?

PS: Where could one find Rhys-Davids'es dictionary?
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Re: Pamojja and Piti [Etymology]

Postby Dmytro » Mon Dec 10, 2012 7:32 pm

Unrul3r wrote:I can see where piti comes from now. But I couldn't find reference to pamojja. Am I missing anything?


Old Indian mudirá- m. `cloud', lex. also `frog'; in addition Old Indian mṓdatē `is funny', mṓda- m., mōdana- n. `lust, Fröhlichkeit', av. maoδanō-karana- `Wollust bereitend', Old Indian mudita `blithe, glad', av. a-hǝ̄musta- (*a-sam-musta-) `dessen man nicht froh become kann, unsavory, distasteful', Old Indian mud-, mudā `lust, pleasure, joy', mudrá- `funny';

http://dnghu.org/indoeuropean.html


PS: Where could one find Rhys-Davids'es dictionary?


http://dsal.uchicago.edu/dictionaries/pali/
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Re: Pamojja and Piti [Etymology]

Postby Unrul3r » Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:33 pm

Dmytro wrote: Old Indian mudirá- m. `cloud', lex. also `frog'; in addition Old Indian mṓdatē `is funny', mṓda- m., mōdana- n. `lust, Fröhlichkeit', av. maoδanō-karana- `Wollust bereitend', Old Indian mudita `blithe, glad', av. a-hǝ̄musta- (*a-sam-musta-) `dessen man nicht froh become kann, unsavory, distasteful', Old Indian mud-, mudā `lust, pleasure, joy', mudrá- `funny';


I don't understand where the pamojja comes from. I can't see any reference of the composition of the word. Looks more like mudita. Could you explain it?

Dmytro wrote:http://dsal.uchicago.edu/dictionaries/pali/


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Re: Pamojja and Piti [Etymology]

Postby Dmytro » Tue Dec 11, 2012 7:40 am

Unrul3r wrote:I don't understand where the pamojja comes from. I can't see any reference of the composition of the word. Looks more like mudita. Could you explain it?


It comes from pa+mud, the same root as in 'mudita'.
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Re: Pamojja and Piti [Etymology]

Postby Unrul3r » Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:09 am

Dmytro wrote:
Unrul3r wrote:I don't understand where the pamojja comes from. I can't see any reference of the composition of the word. Looks more like mudita. Could you explain it?


It comes from pa+mud, the same root as in 'mudita'.


I see. Thank you!
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